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The Queen's accent #46 (permalink) Wed Jul 05, 2006 5:21 am   The Queen's accent
 

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Jamie wrote: If I ran into someone who spoke just like the queen of England, I'd probably find it comical. The only time I wouldn't would be if that person really happened to BE the queen of England. I even find the way Prince Charles talks to be comical.

We've been through this discussion before. Like Amy, and as I've said in another thread, I'd assume that anyone who spoke just like the queen is probably some kind of fake.


I know that we've discussed this before. I asked this question once again simply because I had posted a link through which you could actually get to listen to the Queen. Not all people do that every day so I thoght it might be good to give people an opportunity to refresh their memory a bit.
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Reducing a foreign accent #47 (permalink) Wed Jul 05, 2006 8:25 am   Reducing a foreign accent
 

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But you can't say that the Queen's English is more British than the English of any other Briton. I'm most aware of the fact that British English is extremely diverse in dialects.


Hi Englishuser

I didn't say "more British than", you did. I said "very British" and then clarified that as a reference to a well-known symbol and stereotype of Britain.

At this point I assume that you are living in the US and are unhappy about not hearing "royal pronunciation". You have apparently already discussed your pronunciation preference with Americans on more than one occasion and have been dissatisfied with the opinions and feedback you've received. Are you attending university at the moment?

Tell me, what did you think of the various British dialects (in the link I posted)? Do you consider the pronunciation(s) to be significantly different from so-called Oxford English or RP? If so, how would you characterize them? How do you react to them?

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"very British" #48 (permalink) Wed Jul 05, 2006 10:20 am   "very British"
 

Hi

I can say that many of well-educated and intelligent Britons are not awed at all by ‘the very English’ pronunciation and rally on it - jokingly.

Also, people in their 50-60s told me that speaking manners of the very the elite (at least, in public places) are getting simpler and closer to more mundane English Smile

If you compare Queen’s manner of speaking in 1957 and now, in 2006, you can clearly hear the difference – in tone, in style, in the words and phrases used. TV and radio affect even at royalties. Smile

Or just watch and hear, how Tony Blair speaks and behaves - sometimes - when he takes off his coat and sits ON the table’s edge carelessly shaking his leg and demonstrating “I am a good guy, just one of you”.
Don’t you consider at such moments that he’s forgotten proper ‘good manners’ or left behind true Oxford’s English forever? Smile

So... it depends.
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Accents #49 (permalink) Wed Jul 05, 2006 13:58 pm   Accents
 

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Tamara wrote: If you compare Queen’s manner of speaking in 1957 and now, in 2006, you can clearly hear the difference – in tone, in style, in the words and phrases used.


HM The Queen makes many different kinds of speeches. Some of them are more formal than others. When it comes to words and phrases used, I think that I should point out that most of what the Queen says when she makes a speech is written by a Private Secretary.
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Accents #50 (permalink) Wed Jul 05, 2006 14:09 pm   Accents
 

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Amy wrote: I didn't say "more British than", you did. I said "very British" and then clarified that as a reference to a well-known symbol and stereotype of Britain.


When you wrote "very British" it just was a bit unclear to my mind what exactly you meant (even though I could more or less guess what you meant, of course). Thanks for your clarifications.

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Amy wrote: At this point I assume that you are living in the US and are unhappy about not hearing "royal pronunciation". You have apparently already discussed your pronunciation preference with Americans on more than one occasion and have been dissatisfied with the opinions and feedback you've received. Are you attending university at the moment?


I'm visiting the US and will be back home soon. I'm not exactly unhappy with not hearing the royal pronunciation: it has been very interesting to get acquainted with different American accents. There is something charming in the "black vernacular". (Is there another term for the dialect?) It's also true that I've discussed my pronunciation preference, as you call it, with many Americans. But I'm not dissatisfied with the feedback: no one seems to have an issue with my pronunciation (there are some exceptions but they are hardly worth mentioning at all). And I'm not attending a university at the moment.
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British accents #51 (permalink) Wed Jul 05, 2006 14:35 pm   British accents
 

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Amy wrote: Tell me, what did you think of the various British dialects (in the link I posted)? Do you consider the pronunciation(s) to be significantly different from so-called Oxford English or RP? If so, how would you characterize them? How do you react to them?


Hi, and thanks for the question. There are so many samples available that I think it'd be best if you'd tell me more specifically which recordings you'd like me to listen to. I appreciate your patience.
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Accents #52 (permalink) Wed Jul 05, 2006 17:12 pm   Accents
 

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There is something charming in the "black vernacular".

Definitely! I couldn’t say what I’m more attracted to: the way African Americans speak and sing or their voices – which tend to have a warm, sensual and voluptuous quality to them.

There’s one voice and accent I never get enough of. It’s Tom & Jerry’s “Baggy Socks and Slippers” Mammy, in the old fourties episodes (the music was great, too!). A particular sentence I remember, because I’ve mimicked it ad nauseam (for those who had to listen!), is: “Thooomas, if you're a reeeal mooouse caaatcher, I'm Laaana Tuuurner” Laughing ! It’s a pity that she hardly got to speak at all!
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Reducing a foreign accent #53 (permalink) Fri Nov 21, 2008 9:48 am   Reducing a foreign accent
 

Many people learn to speak a second or third language. But even so, they may have trouble communicating because they still have an accent from their first language. This is usually because they learned the later language as an adult. They may undergo special training or classes to focus only on pronouncing the new language more like a native. This is accent reduction for the purpose of better communication.
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Reducing a foreign accent #54 (permalink) Fri Nov 21, 2008 9:51 am   Reducing a foreign accent
 

Hi,

Ooh - I really don't like the sound of this expression: 'accent reduction'. That sounds awfully like 'personality reduction' to me.

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Reducing a foreign accent #55 (permalink) Fri Nov 21, 2008 10:29 am   Reducing a foreign accent
 

Yeah.

Conform to the norm!

But what is the norm?

It's neat how there are, what, at least 20 distinct accents of those whose native tongue is this great language... but we can understand each other.

(if we keep the regional slang to a minimum, at least)
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Reducing a foreign accent #56 (permalink) Fri Nov 21, 2008 10:34 am   Reducing a foreign accent
 

Regarding the issue of slang, how many of you would be able to decipher this?:

Yo, biatch, this was s'posed to be tight. But these peops be trippin', frontin' like they makin' it rain all up in here, tryin' to get with our bitches and makin' drama in da club. We be headin' to my crib to get crunk, my homies.
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Reducing a foreign accent #57 (permalink) Fri Nov 21, 2008 13:09 pm   Reducing a foreign accent
 

Alan wrote:
Ooh - I really don't like the sound of this expression: 'accent reduction'. That sounds awfully like 'personality reduction' to me.

The Japanese guy who orders water and gets cola, or who says "Thursday" and people are sure he said "Saturday", is very grateful for any help he can get in reducing this "personality".
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Reducing a foreign accent #58 (permalink) Fri Nov 21, 2008 13:53 pm   Reducing a foreign accent
 

Hi Jamie,

I think it's all a question of balance. Of course your accent and pronunciation should be easy to understand and you shouldn't mispronounce any words as the person in your example clearly did. What Alan had in mind is that you shouldn't overdo your 'accent reduction' activities because you might end up spending your time and energy on rather minor things. It is very important that native speakers can easily follow what you are saying and it is pleasant to listen to you when you speak English as second language. This means you should try to keep a balance between 'sounding artificial' and 'sounding foreign'.

What is your take on the accent question?
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Reducing a foreign accent #59 (permalink) Fri Nov 21, 2008 14:24 pm   Reducing a foreign accent
 

What about when someone with a public contact position has an unusual accent that is common on TV but that most people seldom hear in real life? This person can unfortunately stand in front of a group and give their spiel, only to find people listening more to the accent than to the presentation. Then, when the person solicits questions from the audience, the first, and sometimes main question is, "Where are you from?" or, "Where did you get your accent?" A person with this problem needs to learn to turn that accent on and shut it off when appropriate, just as a German needs to do with dialect and Hochdeutsch.

People who have learned a foreign language that non-native speakers seldom learn have had a similar feeling to the one the person with that accent has. You talk perfectly intelligibly, but it's very clear that at the beginning the listener is not paying any attention to what you said, but is merely staring at the phenomenon of a foreigner speaking that language.
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Reducing a foreign accent #60 (permalink) Fri Nov 21, 2008 14:44 pm   Reducing a foreign accent
 

Hi Jamie, did you experience many such situations when you worked in Czechoslovakia? I mean did people often stare at you and listen to your accent more than to what you were saying?
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