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The conjunction "AND" #1 (permalink) Sat Jul 01, 2006 22:54 pm   The conjunction "AND"
 

Hello!

How are you?

Example: He admitted having put
some poison in her drink 'and'
she passed away.

Can you tell me if the usage of
the conjunction 'and' is
right here? I hope you know
what I mean with the sentence.
I mean
'he admitted having put some poison in her
drink and she passed away in that
very moment'

SHould I use another one?

Thanks a lot!
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The conjunction AND #2 (permalink) Sat Jul 01, 2006 23:34 pm   The conjunction AND
 

Hi Jesus

It seems a little strange to connect these two ideas with "and" unless the admission (rather than the poison) was the cause of her passing away. Is that what you want to say?

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The conjunction AND #3 (permalink) Sun Jul 02, 2006 11:55 am   The conjunction AND
 

'He admitted having put some poison
in her drink, AND she passed away'

What I am trying to say is
that when he admitted having put
some posion, she passed away. She
passed away when he admitted it.

Obviously, the cause of her dead would have
been the poison,
but there was a cause before (the
cause you mentioned= she passed away
because of his admission). I know it seems
impossible, something unreal...

Anyway, 'and' keeps on sounding quite strange
to me. Any other option? I think I?m
really turning Spanish into English.

Thanks a lot, Amy!
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And #4 (permalink) Sun Jul 02, 2006 12:30 pm   And
 

Hi Jesus1,

If you mean that one thing was the result of another, you need to strengthen the conjunction to give some relationship with the two actions: the admission of the poisoning and the passing away. I would therefore say: and as a result.

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The conjunction AND #5 (permalink) Sun Jul 02, 2006 12:46 pm   The conjunction AND
 

Jesus1 wrote:
Obviously, the cause of her dead would have
been the poison
,
but there was a cause before (the
cause you mentioned= she passed away
because of his admission). I know it seems
impossible, something unreal...


Hi Jesus

That's what I see as the problem with the sentence, Jesus. The cause is not completely obvious when you connect "admit" and "die". And that's what your first sentence does: The word "and" connects "admit" to "pass away".

It sounds like she could possibly have had a heart attack (and died) because she was so shocked by the admission. Maybe the poison itself wasn't lethal, but the knowledge of having been poisoned was.

What about just omitting "admit" completely:
He poisoned her drink and she died.
After he poisoned her drink, she died.


You can talk about his admission in a different sentence.

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The conjunction AND #6 (permalink) Sun Jul 02, 2006 13:02 pm   The conjunction AND
 

Hi! Thanks for all your replies.

I think Alan?s one sounds fine.

Amy, that?s what I wanted to
say. I mean, connecting 'admit' and 'pass away'.

'She passed away because of his admission'.

Yes, the poison wasn?t lethal enough. So,
she died before this one took effect. For instance,
a heart attack as you said. The heart attack
was produced by his admission.

Then, is it 'and as a result', as Alan said first,
right?

I think it?s fine.

Oh my God! Laughing

Thanks a lot again!

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The conjunction AND #7 (permalink) Sun Jul 02, 2006 13:13 pm   The conjunction AND
 

Yankee wrote:
Is that what you want to say?


Jesus1 wrote:
Oh my God!


Oh my God, Jesus! Why didn't you just answer my question with "yes"? Laughing Cool Laughing

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The conjunction AND #8 (permalink) Sun Jul 02, 2006 13:21 pm   The conjunction AND
 

Maybe, a little bit late. Yes, Amy!. Yes!.

Or do you prefer Yeah!?

Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes

Thanks a million, anyway!
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The conjunction "AND" #9 (permalink) Sun Jul 02, 2006 20:30 pm   The conjunction "AND"
 

Hi! Thanks again!

Well, just curiosity. Which verb do you use
in English to mean "he admitted something
to himself" Do you know what I mean?

I mean, You have done something 'wrong or not'
and you then admit having done it. But
you don?t tell anybody, you just tell it
to yourself.



Example:

He couldn?t stand having stolen
his mother, but after admitting (to himself?)
having done it and deciding not to do it
anymore, he really felt good.


Thanks a lot!

Jes?s
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The conjunction "AND" #10 (permalink) Sun Jul 02, 2006 20:58 pm   The conjunction "AND"
 

Quote:
He couldn?t stand having stolen
his mother
, but after admitting (to himself?)
having done it and deciding not to do it
anymore, he really felt good.

Cool

Hi Jes?s Wink

Just a few points to ponder:

He couldn?t stand having stolen his mother

That sounds like he secretly took his mother from his father. Laughing

You should say either
He couldn?t stand having stolen from his mother
- OR possibly -
He couldn?t stand having robbed his mother

If he couldn't stand it, then he seems to have already been quite aware that he did it. So, why would he need to admit to himself that he did it?

Do you want to say that he finally admitted to himself that it was one of the worst things he'd ever done?

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The conjunction "AND" #11 (permalink) Sun Jul 02, 2006 21:18 pm   The conjunction "AND"
 

Yes, that?s what I want to say.
Maybe I didn?t give a good example.
Can you say one using the verb admit?

1.- It?s 'admit to himself', isn?t it?

2.- 'Admit to himself' goes followed
by an-ing verb as well?

Thanks, Amy!
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The conjunction "AND" #12 (permalink) Sun Jul 02, 2006 21:34 pm   The conjunction "AND"
 

Hi Jesus

Quote:
1.- It?s 'admit to himself', isn?t it?

Yes, saying "admit to himself" is fine.

Quote:
2.- 'Admit to himself' goes followed
by an-ing verb as well?

This was a problem in your example.
You can say "He admitted having done it."
But inserting "to himself" really doesn't work in this sentence.

Instead, I'd suggest saying (for example):

"He admitted to himself that he'd never done anything worse."

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The conjunction "AND" #13 (permalink) Sun Jul 02, 2006 21:45 pm   The conjunction "AND"
 

Jesus1 wrote:
Yes, that?s what I want to say.
Maybe I didn?t give a good example.
Can you say one using the verb admit?

1.- It?s 'admit to himself', isn?t it?

2.- 'Admit to himself' goes followed
by an-ing verb as well?

Thanks, Amy!

1. Yes.

2. Yes, it's 'admit' + ing. or + that

Still, I would put it differently and use verbs, like:

deal with, face or come to terms with

After coming to terms with his action/with what he had done.
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The conjunction "AND" #14 (permalink) Mon Jul 03, 2006 19:46 pm   The conjunction "AND"
 

Hello! How is it going?

Can you correct this sentence, please?

Did I use 'admitted to himself' correctly
here?

Example: 'He admitted to himself having
given birth to the pain ( =a creation of
his mind) and as a result this one disappeared'

Thanks a million!

Jes?s
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The conjunction "AND" #15 (permalink) Mon Jul 03, 2006 22:27 pm   The conjunction "AND"
 

Hi Jesus

I see you're still valiantly trying to use "He admitted to himself" Very Happy

Basically, I probably will not like any sentence that has the following construction:

He admitted to himself followed by having done

I would recommend not using this construction at all.

"He admitted having done" is fine. But it is not OK to insert "to himself" in that sentence, in my opinion. If you want to use "to himself", then you should use a different type of sentence. For example:
"He admitted to himself that he had done..."

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