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#2 (permalink) Sat Jul 01, 2006 23:34 pm The conjunction AND |
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Hi Jesus
It seems a little strange to connect these two ideas with "and" unless the admission (rather than the poison) was the cause of her passing away. Is that what you want to say?
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#3 (permalink) Sun Jul 02, 2006 11:55 am The conjunction AND |
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'He admitted having put some poison in her drink, AND she passed away'
What I am trying to say is that when he admitted having put some posion, she passed away. She passed away when he admitted it.
Obviously, the cause of her dead would have been the poison, but there was a cause before (the cause you mentioned= she passed away because of his admission). I know it seems impossible, something unreal...
Anyway, 'and' keeps on sounding quite strange to me. Any other option? I think I?m really turning Spanish into English.
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#4 (permalink) Sun Jul 02, 2006 12:30 pm And |
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Hi Jesus1,
If you mean that one thing was the result of another, you need to strengthen the conjunction to give some relationship with the two actions: the admission of the poisoning and the passing away. I would therefore say: and as a result.
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#5 (permalink) Sun Jul 02, 2006 12:46 pm The conjunction AND |
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| Jesus1 wrote: |
Obviously, the cause of her dead would have been the poison, but there was a cause before (the cause you mentioned= she passed away because of his admission). I know it seems impossible, something unreal... |
Hi Jesus
That's what I see as the problem with the sentence, Jesus. The cause is not completely obvious when you connect "admit" and "die". And that's what your first sentence does: The word "and" connects "admit" to "pass away".
It sounds like she could possibly have had a heart attack (and died) because she was so shocked by the admission. Maybe the poison itself wasn't lethal, but the knowledge of having been poisoned was.
What about just omitting "admit" completely: He poisoned her drink and she died. After he poisoned her drink, she died.
You can talk about his admission in a different sentence.
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#6 (permalink) Sun Jul 02, 2006 13:02 pm The conjunction AND |
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Hi! Thanks for all your replies.
I think Alan?s one sounds fine.
Amy, that?s what I wanted to say. I mean, connecting 'admit' and 'pass away'.
'She passed away because of his admission'.
Yes, the poison wasn?t lethal enough. So, she died before this one took effect. For instance, a heart attack as you said. The heart attack was produced by his admission.
Then, is it 'and as a result', as Alan said first, right?
I think it?s fine.
Oh my God! :lol:
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#7 (permalink) Sun Jul 02, 2006 13:13 pm The conjunction AND |
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| Is that what you want to say? |
Oh my God, Jesus! Why didn't you just answer my question with "yes"? :lol: 8) :lol:
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#8 (permalink) Sun Jul 02, 2006 13:21 pm The conjunction AND |
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Maybe, a little bit late. Yes, Amy!. Yes!.
Or do you prefer Yeah!?
:roll: :roll: :roll:
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#9 (permalink) Sun Jul 02, 2006 20:30 pm The conjunction "AND" |
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Hi! Thanks again!
Well, just curiosity. Which verb do you use in English to mean "he admitted something to himself" Do you know what I mean?
I mean, You have done something 'wrong or not' and you then admit having done it. But you don?t tell anybody, you just tell it to yourself.
Example:
He couldn?t stand having stolen his mother, but after admitting (to himself?) having done it and deciding not to do it anymore, he really felt good.
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#10 (permalink) Sun Jul 02, 2006 20:58 pm The conjunction "AND" |
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He couldn?t stand having stolen his mother, but after admitting (to himself?) having done it and deciding not to do it anymore, he really felt good. |
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Hi Jes?s ;)
Just a few points to ponder:
He couldn?t stand having stolen his mother
That sounds like he secretly took his mother from his father. :lol:
You should say either He couldn?t stand having stolen from his mother - OR possibly - He couldn?t stand having robbed his mother
If he couldn't stand it, then he seems to have already been quite aware that he did it. So, why would he need to admit to himself that he did it?
Do you want to say that he finally admitted to himself that it was one of the worst things he'd ever done?
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#11 (permalink) Sun Jul 02, 2006 21:18 pm The conjunction "AND" |
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Yes, that?s what I want to say. Maybe I didn?t give a good example. Can you say one using the verb admit?
1.- It?s 'admit to himself', isn?t it?
2.- 'Admit to himself' goes followed by an-ing verb as well?
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#12 (permalink) Sun Jul 02, 2006 21:34 pm The conjunction "AND" |
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Hi Jesus
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| 1.- It?s 'admit to himself', isn?t it? |
Yes, saying "admit to himself" is fine.
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2.- 'Admit to himself' goes followed by an-ing verb as well? |
This was a problem in your example. You can say "He admitted having done it." But inserting "to himself" really doesn't work in this sentence.
Instead, I'd suggest saying (for example):
"He admitted to himself that he'd never done anything worse."
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#13 (permalink) Sun Jul 02, 2006 21:45 pm The conjunction "AND" |
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| Jesus1 wrote: |
Yes, that?s what I want to say. Maybe I didn?t give a good example. Can you say one using the verb admit?
1.- It?s 'admit to himself', isn?t it?
2.- 'Admit to himself' goes followed by an-ing verb as well?
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1. Yes.
2. Yes, it's 'admit' + ing. or + that
Still, I would put it differently and use verbs, like:
deal with, face or come to terms with
After coming to terms with his action/with what he had done. |
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#14 (permalink) Mon Jul 03, 2006 19:46 pm The conjunction "AND" |
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Hello! How is it going?
Can you correct this sentence, please?
Did I use 'admitted to himself' correctly here?
Example: 'He admitted to himself having given birth to the pain ( =a creation of his mind) and as a result this one disappeared'
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#15 (permalink) Mon Jul 03, 2006 22:27 pm The conjunction "AND" |
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Hi Jesus
I see you're still valiantly trying to use "He admitted to himself" :D
Basically, I probably will not like any sentence that has the following construction:
He admitted to himself followed by having done
I would recommend not using this construction at all.
"He admitted having done" is fine. But it is not OK to insert "to himself" in that sentence, in my opinion. If you want to use "to himself", then you should use a different type of sentence. For example: "He admitted to himself that he had done..."
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