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Hi Torsten
I'm really only familiar with the short form of that word (pap) and am a bit mystified as to a connection with Maltz. 
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| Sun Jul 09, 2006 1:20 am The term "pappenheimer"? |
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I had never heard or seen this word until you mentioned it. I could not find it in any normal-sized dictionary, and I had to go to the Random House unabridged to learn the meaning. This dictionary describes it as a "Walloon sword".
I doubt more than 1 percent of the people here -- even educated ones -- would understand what you were talking about if you used that word.
The term also seems to be used to refer to iron-containing granules in blood cells.
The word weisenheimer, however, is VERY common. |
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| Sun Jul 09, 2006 10:48 am Pappenheimer vs. weisenheimer |
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I've never heard of pappenheimer, though I am a weisenheimer.
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| Sun Jul 09, 2006 14:02 pm I'm a pappenheimer |
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| Fan of Arabian horses wrote: | I?m one of the pappenheimer who don?t really know what a weisenheimer is!  |
It's another word for smart alec. From the Oxford American Dictionary:
wisenheimer
noun informal
a person who behaves in an irritatingly smug or arrogant fashion, typically by making clever remarks and displaying their knowledge.
ORIGIN early 20th cent.: from wise + the suffix -(n)heimer found in surnames such as Oppenheimer.
Note that I originally spelled the word wrong.
Now let's see if some buttinski has more to say about wisenheimers. |
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| Mon Jul 10, 2006 23:01 pm The term "pappenheimer"? |
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| Jamie (K) wrote: | | The term also seems to be used to refer to iron-containing granules in blood cells. |
Hi Jamie!
I?ve googled the word pappenheimer too and the common definition describes what you mentioned above. So, pappenheimer seem to make red blood cells dirty, don?t they?
Looking for Pappenheimer into my encyclopaedia I found out that Pappenheim had been a General during the Middle-Ages commanding a regiment of soldiers called the "Pappenheimer" and had been very successful. Unfortunately, in the encyclopaedia there isn?t any advice whether the German term " I certainly do know my Pappenheimer" has to do with them but in my imagination always when they?d done something unexpected the King recognized the way of their doing and created that sentence.
I?m not really sure whether my imagination fits to the actuality, but even nowadays when you see the result of any doing without watching the doing, but by the way it was done you can recognize who did, you might say : " I certainly do know my Pappenheimer! "
Now I only hope not to be a wisenheimer! 
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P.S.: Does buttinski stem from but? |
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| Mon Jul 10, 2006 23:49 pm Pappenheimer |
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Hi,
According to the Oxford English Dictionary 'Pappenheimer body' (alternatively 'Pappenheimer's body') refers to a siderosome, especially one that stains with Romanowsky's and Wright's stain. Is the term 'pappenheimer' mentioned alone in other dictionaries? If you read this, Jamie, would you kindly let me know how many entries there are in the Random House unabridged dictionary? |
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| Wed Jul 12, 2006 14:39 pm Buttinski |
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| Tamara wrote: | Now I've found that it’s from butt in, exactly, Amy.
But -ski seems to be rather strange suffix for ‘standard English’,doesn't it?
Does the word come from American immigrants (from Europe)? |
That's right. A buttinski is someone who interrupts a lot. He always butts in. A lot of Polish names end with -inski, so I suppose that's how the -ski got added. It's quite an old word, and it's even in the dictionary.
I don't think this word was created by foreign immigrants, but probably by ordinary Americans. We use a lot of suffixes from other languages. We sometimes call a beer a brewski.
Another common foreign suffix we use is the Russian one -nik. It usually, but not always, indicates some far left wing fanatic, or some disreputable bohemian type. Most people know the word beatnik, but we also have no-goodnik, peacenik, animal-rights-nik, and various other types of -niks. |
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