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I forgot to close the door -- the door is still open; I failed to close it
I forgot closing the door -- The door is closed. I closed it, but then I forgot that I did that.
(Your first question is the common one. Your second question is rather unusual; it would require a special situation.)
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| #4 (permalink) Wed Jul 12, 2006 12:35 pm Gerund vs. infinitive |
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Yes. The timescale.
In my today’s :) understanding:
1. to close : in such cases an action follows the first verb (forget). (Result: I had to close, but didn’t do it.)
2. closing: an action happens before the first verb (or, maybe, at the same time?)
(Result: (1) I have closed the door and (2) then forgot it.)
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Hi Pamela,
It's probably easier to use forget in different examples.
I forgot to do something means I didn't do it because it went out of my mind as in: I forgot to turn off the cooker and as a result the meat was burnt.
Forget + ing is often used in negative sentnces as in: I shall never forget taking my driving test - meaning the experience will never leave my mind and I shall always remember that experience.
Now we could put the two forms together in one sentence:
Once I forgot to turn off the oven and I shall never forget seeing the expression on the faces of the rest of the family when they realised they had nothing to eat.
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| #6 (permalink) Wed Jul 12, 2006 12:52 pm "forget to do" versus "forget doing" |
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Hi Alan,
Yes, I understand and agree with you! |
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| Tamara wrote: |
In my today’s :) understanding:
1. to close : in such cases an action follows the first verb (forget). (Result: I had to close, but didn’t do it.)
2. closing: an action happens before the first verb (or, maybe, at the same time?)
(Result: (1) I have closed the door and (2) then forgot it.) |
Hi Tamara :D
That is indeed a way of looking at it. Basically the order in which the two verbs take place:
- remember to set the alarm clock: first he remembers, then he sets
- remember setting the alarm clock: first he sets, then he remembers (that he did it)
He was late for work because he overslept. He can't figure out how he overslept because he can clearly remember setting the alarm the night before.
Tamara, are you planning to use this ordering of the verbs exclusively for forget and remember?
Could you give me your input from a learner's point of view? Do you find this a useful and/or reliable way of remembering the difference in meaning (i.e., is it easy to learn)? Does it help you envision the difference clearly? Do you find it confusing in any way? Thanks, Tamara. :D
Regarding Attila's original question, I agree with Mr. Mic. The sentence "Don't forget closing the door" is unusual and would require some sort of very special situation.
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| Yankee wrote: |
Tamara, are you planning to use this ordering of the verbs exclusively for forget and remember?
Could you give me your input from a learner's point of view? Do you find this a useful and/or reliable way of remembering the difference in meaning (i.e., is it easy to learn)? Does it help you envision the difference clearly? Do you find it confusing in any way? |
Hi, Amy! :)
I use the above 'time rule' for
remember / forget
and for regret.
I find it highly useful for me.
The two meanings are very different and it's great when such a simple rule allows to make clear distinguish (even though it's possibly leads to some wrong cases. Might be :) )
As for me, it’s easier to remember :) it in the form:
(…-ing) 2 <-- 1 --> 2 (to …)
--------------------------> time
The difference is absolutely clear, isn't it?
...Amy, as in my reality I usually have rather meagre feedback :) , I don’t know, how often (and with what verbs, if any) it might create wrong sentences. How general it is.
I myself had had no confusion, as yet :)
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| #9 (permalink) Wed Jul 12, 2006 19:18 pm "forget to do" versus "forget doing" |
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Hi Tamara
Thanks for the feedback. Your diagram looks great. :D
Those three verbs - remember/forget/regret - work nicely.
You've got yourself a very specific rule there. :D
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:lol: Absolutely! These sorts of things seem to be a little less than "absolutely clear" for some people, though. I've had students who seemed to be completely immune to such diagrams and lines. Others catch the bug right away. :lol:
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| #10 (permalink) Thu Jul 13, 2006 7:33 am My very specific rules :) |
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:) Exceptions just confirm general rules. :) :D
...Oh, yes… languages are not Math, and English is not an exception to the rule …
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| #11 (permalink) Thu Jul 13, 2006 11:26 am "forget to do" versus "forget doing" |
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Yankee wrote:
he can clearly remember setting the alarm the night before.
For me is hard to understand that there's a word (remember) symbolizes the Present Tense and there's a word (setting) symbolizes the Present Tense but...
When I put the 2 words together in a sentence it means that I DID something in the past.
I've always used it this way:
he can clearly remember to have set the alarm the night before.
In my understanding, when talking about the past, the verb should be in a past form .
Now I realised that it isn't so simple but please tell me if the "remember to have set" is correct and what the exactly meaning of it is. |
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| #12 (permalink) Thu Jul 13, 2006 11:37 am "forget to do" versus "forget doing" |
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You wrote this, too
Does it help you envision the difference clearly?
It's the word "envision". I searched for this in 2 dictionaries without success and what's more I can't find it in the Cambridge Online dictionary. |
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| #13 (permalink) Thu Jul 13, 2006 11:41 am "forget to do" versus "forget doing" |
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| attila wrote: |
You wrote this, too
Does it help you envision the difference clearly?
It's the word "envision". I searched for this in 2 dictionaries without success and what's more I can't find it in the Cambridge Online dictionary. |
Envision generally means to imagine, fancy, to forsee |
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| #14 (permalink) Thu Jul 13, 2006 11:46 am Remember |
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Hi attila,
You asked:
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In my understanding, when talking about the past, the verb should be in a past form .
Now I realised that it isn't so simple but please tell me if the "remember to have set" is correct and what the exactly meaning of it is. |
If you use remember with the infinitive form , it usually points to something in the future as in:
I must remember to pay the telephone bill before it's too late. In other words you mustn't forget to pay it.
It follows therefore that you wouldn't use the past infinitive - you said to have set
If you use remember with the -ing form it is usually about something in the past. You can use either the Present form or the Past form.
You could say I remember paying the telephone bill. This means you have a picture in your mind of actually doing it/paying it.
You could also say I remember having paid the telephone bill. This means that you remember completing the action of paying the bill.
Hope this is clear.
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| #15 (permalink) Thu Jul 13, 2006 12:56 pm Remember |
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Thanks Alan,
Just to be sure:
I remember paying the telephone bill means that I've a picture in my mind that I gave the man money but I don't know if I gave him enough money or if he could change my money etc.
I remember having paid the telephone bill means that I definitely know that I gave the man the exact amount of money.
Is the expression I used before totally wrong?
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