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#2 (permalink) Fri Jul 21, 2006 21:04 pm Since |
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Hi Michael, glad to see you haven't melted down to a steaming puddle yet :lol: !
Do you mean the use of 'since' in the sense of 'because' or 'as'?
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#3 (permalink) Fri Jul 21, 2006 21:39 pm Are there rules for using since? |
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Hi Conchita!
And I?m glad that you comunicate with common people still, although you succeeded on the farting test! :lol:
Yes, Conchita, that was my question?
Since you found out my problem, would you please tell me whether there is a rule when to use since instead of ?as? or ?because`? Probably you do know that us German always ask for rules.
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#4 (permalink) Fri Jul 21, 2006 21:50 pm Use of the word since |
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Hi Michael
Since you asked... :lol:
Americans prefer since, the Brits like as. :D
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#5 (permalink) Fri Jul 21, 2006 22:26 pm Are there rules for using since? |
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Since you found out my problem, would you please tell me whether there is a rule when to use since instead of ?as? or ?because`? Probably you do know that us German always ask for rules.
Michael |
'Since' and 'as' can be weaker forms of 'because'. Use them in the sense of 'given that' when the reason is not very important (or whenever you mean 'da' in German :wink: ).
To express reason or cause, 'because' is more specific. Use it when you mean 'for the reason that', 'due to', 'owing to the fact that'. |
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#6 (permalink) Fri Jul 21, 2006 22:26 pm Use of the word since |
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Hi Amy!
Your explanation makes sense, since I figured out the expanded use of since in your posts particular!
Conchita, don?t worry, there is enough mass at me, so that not as quick a steaming puddle from me will kept left only. But walking afterwards me you must take care not to slip on the slubber trace that I degull. :wink: :lol:
Michael
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#7 (permalink) Fri Jul 21, 2006 22:42 pm Use of the word since |
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| Fan of Arabian horses wrote: |
| But walking after me you must take care not to slip on the slubber trace that I degull. :wink: :lol: |
The way you used the word 'degull' reminded me of the unrefined French terms 'd?geuler' (to throw up) and 'd?geulasse' (pukey) :lol: ... |
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#8 (permalink) Tue Jul 25, 2006 21:52 pm Since I know the multiple use of "since"... |
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Hi!
The little word "since" is fascinating me since it came up to my mind that you can use it for multiple sense.
For instance, can anybody give the one and only logical completion of the following sentence?
Since I know the multiple use of "since", ..........? :roll:
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#9 (permalink) Tue Jul 25, 2006 22:14 pm Since I know the multiple use of "since"... |
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Hi Michael!
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| Since I know the multiple use of "since", ..........? :roll: |
Here's my ending: Since I know the multiple use of "since", I also know that there is only one way to understand "since" in this sentence. ;) (It means the same as as)
Your turn, Michael. :lol: Please complete the sentence:
Since learning that there are multiple uses for "since", ........ 8)
Michael, since you're German, could you explain something to me, please? Sometimes the German word "da" has a meaning similar to "weil". What's the difference? Is there a difference? :D
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#10 (permalink) Tue Jul 25, 2006 23:23 pm Use of the word since |
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Hi Amy!
What about:
Since (from that moment on) I know the multiple use of "since" I?ve been using "since" more often for objective sense. Without punctuation after the given part of sentence?
Since learning that there are multiple uses for "since", I also know that it isn?t that easy to understand! :shock:
"Weil" is more straightly refering to following reasons of circumstances or doing or sth. else or whatever and in my opinion more polite, albeit rarely used!
"Da" is more common used and has more than the meaning of refering to following reasons. "Da", for me, is more informal and sometimes sounds bad. For instance, "Da da vorne Amy sitzt........" :? Sounds ridiculus, doesn?t it? Better would be: "Weil da vorne Amy sitzt......." 8)
But back to my "since" solutions, what does them sound like?
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#11 (permalink) Thu Jul 27, 2006 7:34 am It's ages since I saw you. :) |
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Hi Michael!
Since you ask… :)
Albeit sometimes 'since' looks (for me) just as a decoration, I admit that sometimes it plays its small - but important! - role and paints speech.
But since I’ve leant the meaning of 'ever since' I still couldn’t (and can’t) use it naturally. Just say 'since' (and I don’t know why 'ever since' is not my expression). _________________ It’s impossible to learn swimming without entering the water… |
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#12 (permalink) Thu Jul 27, 2006 17:59 pm Use of the word since |
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| Fan of Arabian horses wrote: |
| Since learning that there are multiple uses for "since", I also know that it isn?t that easy to understand! :shock: Perfect! :D |
Hi Michael :D
The verb "know" can be tricky to use with "since" (with the meaning of from that moment on).
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If you say "I know", that's simple present tense and there is no indication in the verb tense of a time in the past where the knowing began. But you need that with "since".
If you say "I knew", that refers to a time in the past BUT it also indicates that the knowing is finished. :shock:
So, the only possibility would be to use the present perfect or to use a completely different verb to specifically refer to a point in the past (in this case, the starting point).
Examples (including "ever" just for added excitement.. ;)) : Ever since I've known about the multiple uses of "since", I?ve been using "since" more often... Ever since I noticed that "since" has multiple uses, I've been using "since" more often...
By the way, you mentioned you'd lost a lot of weight since it got so hot. What about your horses? Do horses also lose weight when it gets really hot?
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#13 (permalink) Thu Jul 27, 2006 21:57 pm Use of the word since |
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| Yankee wrote: |
| Fan of Arabian horses wrote: |
| Since learning that there are multiple uses for "since", I also know that it isn?t that easy to understand! :shock: Perfect! :D |
Hi Michael :D
The verb "know" can be tricky to use with "since" (with the meaning of from that moment on).
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| Since (from that moment on) I know the multiple use of "since"... |
If you say "I know", that's simple present tense and there is no indication in the verb tense of a time in the past where the knowing began. But you need that with "since".
If you say "I knew", that refers to a time in the past BUT it also indicates that the knowing is finished. :shock:
So, the only possibility would be to use the present perfect or to use a completely different verb to specifically refer to a point in the past (in this case, the starting point).
Examples (including "ever" just for added excitement.. ;)) : Ever since I've known about the multiple uses of "since", I?ve been using "since" more often... Ever since I noticed that "since" has multiple uses, I've been using "since" more often...
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Hi Amy!
Completing your sentence perfectly, I wasn?t aware that it is that complicated. Puuhhh........ :shock: But for the moment I haven?t sweated out all the water only but also all my brains. So I leave this point for now and will return later. :roll:
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| By the way, you mentioned you'd lost a lot of weight since it got so hot. What about your horses? Do horses also lose weight when it gets really hot? |
If they do hard physical work for 9 hours a day they surely lose weight, particular when it gets hot. As for my horses, they hardly leave from their stables because they would have been attacked by the stable horses terribly. So they have summer holidays and feel fine. :wink:
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#14 (permalink) Fri Jul 28, 2006 11:32 am Use of the word since |
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Hi guys, That was really fantastic discussion. :wink: May I try mine, if you don't mined.
Ever since I've joined this forum, my English has raised up. Ever since he's bought a car, he hasn't could see us.
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#15 (permalink) Fri Jul 28, 2006 11:51 am Use of the word since |
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Hi bara
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For me it sounds as if you want to say that it is not getting better any longer (has stopped improving or has reached its top :)) or if you has stopped using the forum :)
As in the above example from Amy, I'd use 'has been improving...'
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Oh, yes... This is the same case I had troubles (in my above sentence with 'ever since').
Really I don't know the right grammar form for the negative case (that would be true for the definite perion-in-the-past and still true at present).
But anyway your saying (hasn't could see) looks a bit strange for me. But I don't know how to say that.
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