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Hi Michael, glad to see you haven't melted down to a steaming puddle yet  !
Do you mean the use of 'since' in the sense of 'because' or 'as'?
Since you're losing weight, make sure you drink plenty of water! Since it's so hot, I'll have an iced coffee. I can't take him with me since he's ill. |
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| Fri Jul 21, 2006 22:39 pm Are there rules for using since? |
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Hi Conchita!
And I?m glad that you comunicate with common people still, although you succeeded on the farting test!
Yes, Conchita, that was my question?
Since you found out my problem, would you please tell me whether there is a rule when to use since instead of ?as? or ?because`? Probably you do know that us German always ask for rules.
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| Fri Jul 21, 2006 23:26 pm Are there rules for using since? |
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| Fan of Arabian horses wrote: | Since you found out my problem, would you please tell me whether there is a rule when to use since instead of ?as? or ?because`? Probably you do know that us German always ask for rules.
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'Since' and 'as' can be weaker forms of 'because'. Use them in the sense of 'given that' when the reason is not very important (or whenever you mean 'da' in German  ).
To express reason or cause, 'because' is more specific. Use it when you mean 'for the reason that', 'due to', 'owing to the fact that'. |
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| Tue Jul 25, 2006 22:52 pm Since I know the multiple use of "since"... |
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Hi!
The little word "since" is fascinating me since it came up to my mind that you can use it for multiple sense.
For instance, can anybody give the one and only logical completion of the following sentence?
Since I know the multiple use of "since", ..........? 
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| Tue Jul 25, 2006 23:14 pm Since I know the multiple use of "since"... |
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Hi Michael!
| Fan of Arabian horses wrote: | | Since I know the multiple use of "since", ..........? |
Here's my ending:
Since I know the multiple use of "since", I also know that there is only one way to understand "since" in this sentence.
(It means the same as as)
Your turn, Michael. Please complete the sentence:
Since learning that there are multiple uses for "since", ........ 
Michael, since you're German, could you explain something to me, please? Sometimes the German word "da" has a meaning similar to "weil". What's the difference? Is there a difference? 
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| Thu Jul 27, 2006 18:59 pm Use of the word since |
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| Fan of Arabian horses wrote: | Since learning that there are multiple uses for "since", I also know that it isn?t that easy to understand!  Perfect! |
Hi Michael
The verb "know" can be tricky to use with "since" (with the meaning of from that moment on).
| Quote: | | Since (from that moment on) I know the multiple use of "since"... |
If you say "I know", that's simple present tense and there is no indication in the verb tense of a time in the past where the knowing began. But you need that with "since".
If you say "I knew", that refers to a time in the past BUT it also indicates that the knowing is finished.
So, the only possibility would be to use the present perfect or to use a completely different verb to specifically refer to a point in the past (in this case, the starting point).
Examples (including "ever" just for added excitement.. ) :
Ever since I've known about the multiple uses of "since", I?ve been using "since" more often...
Ever since I noticed that "since" has multiple uses, I've been using "since" more often...
By the way, you mentioned you'd lost a lot of weight since it got so hot. What about your horses? Do horses also lose weight when it gets really hot?
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| Thu Jul 27, 2006 22:57 pm Use of the word since |
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| Yankee wrote: | | Fan of Arabian horses wrote: | | Since learning that there are multiple uses for "since", I also know that it isn?t that easy to understand! Perfect! |
Hi Michael
The verb "know" can be tricky to use with "since" (with the meaning of from that moment on).
| Quote: | | Since (from that moment on) I know the multiple use of "since"... |
If you say "I know", that's simple present tense and there is no indication in the verb tense of a time in the past where the knowing began. But you need that with "since".
If you say "I knew", that refers to a time in the past BUT it also indicates that the knowing is finished.
So, the only possibility would be to use the present perfect or to use a completely different verb to specifically refer to a point in the past (in this case, the starting point).
Examples (including "ever" just for added excitement.. ) :
Ever since I've known about the multiple uses of "since", I?ve been using "since" more often...
Ever since I noticed that "since" has multiple uses, I've been using "since" more often...
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Hi Amy!
Completing your sentence perfectly, I wasn?t aware that it is that complicated. Puuhhh........ But for the moment I haven?t sweated out all the water only but also all my brains. So I leave this point for now and will return later.
| Yankee wrote: | | By the way, you mentioned you'd lost a lot of weight since it got so hot. What about your horses? Do horses also lose weight when it gets really hot? |
If they do hard physical work for 9 hours a day they surely lose weight, particular when it gets hot. As for my horses, they hardly leave from their stables because they would have been attacked by the stable horses terribly. So they have summer holidays and feel fine.
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| Fri Jul 28, 2006 12:32 pm Use of the word since |
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Hi guys,
That was really fantastic discussion.
May I try mine, if you don't mined.
Ever since I've joined this forum, my English has raised up.
Ever since he's bought a car, he hasn't could see us.
Always willing to hear from ya.
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Sounds ridiculus, doesn?t it? Better would be: "Weil da vorne Amy sitzt......." 
