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Expression: "...the better..."



 
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Expression: "...the better..." #1 (permalink) Sun Jul 23, 2006 13:23 pm   Expression: "...the better..."
 

Hi

Please see below:

"The truth is this: men quote proverbs the better to express themselves.
Adages are the wit of the inarticulate."(Leo Rosten)

Why the better?Is it grammatically correct??? Shocked

Why themselves in italics???

Thanks in advance

Tom

PS: I am more interested in the first question.
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Expression: "...the better..." #2 (permalink) Sun Jul 23, 2006 13:38 pm   Expression: "...the better..."
 

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1-- Yes, perfectly fine (I can't recall what this structure is called, though. It looks like half of a correlative comparison-- the sooner the better, etc).

If you miss the last train, it will be all the worse for you.

Why do you have such big eyes, Grandma?-- The better to see you with, Little Red Riding Hood.

2-- Themselves is in italics for stress. Rosten may have done it himself, or it may have been italicized by the editor of your source.
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Expression: "...the better..." #3 (permalink) Sun Jul 23, 2006 13:53 pm   Expression: "...the better..."
 

Thank you, Mr. Micawber

So there is no difference between:

1- Which shirt do you like better?
2- Which shirt do you like the better?

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Expression: "...the better..." #4 (permalink) Sun Jul 23, 2006 15:01 pm   Expression: "...the better..."
 

Hi Tom

"1- Which shirt do you like better?" is the correct of the two. (Your second sentence is not OK.)

In your original sentence and also in MM's Little Red Riding Hood sentence, "the better" also has the sense of "in order to (do something better/more easily)"

Why do you want to wear that shirt? The better to keep cool.

You could say: "Which shirt is the better of the two?"
That would just mean "Which shirt is the better one of the two shirts"

In the sentence "If you miss the last train, it will be all the worse for you." the words all the are idiomatic when used together this way and mean even.

Have my added explanations confused you all the more? Shocked Laughing

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Expression: "...the better..." #5 (permalink) Tue Sep 16, 2008 21:04 pm   Expression: "...the better..."
 

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The truth is this: men quote proverbs the better to express themselves
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So, what is the comparison? I mean, better than what?

Many thanks for sheding more light on this.

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Expression: "...the better..." #6 (permalink) Tue Sep 16, 2008 21:14 pm   Expression: "...the better..."
 

Hi Tom

I suppose it could be looked at as meaning "better than otherwise".

Men quote proverbs the better to express themselves ==> Men quote proverbs in order to express themselves better than they otherwise would.
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