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Whose hands? #1 (permalink) Tue Jul 25, 2006 5:59 am   Whose hands?
 

Folks, first I'm going to ask Conchita a question, and then I'll explain it to the rest of you.

Okay, Conchita. Please read this paragraph and answer my question afterward.

Quote:
Si usted es una persona hipertensa, asuma el desaf?o de llevar una vida sana: el primer paso es visitar a un especialista. Su futuro est? en sus manos.

Now, here's my question: In, "Su futuro est? en sus manos," whose hands are they talking about?
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Whose hands? #2 (permalink) Tue Jul 25, 2006 8:52 am   Whose hands?
 

Hi Jamie

You’re a true master of rousing the curiosity Smile

As I am too intriguing, I’ve asked translate.ru to make word-for-word Spanish-Russian translation of the above.
Hmm… interesting…
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Your own hands #3 (permalink) Tue Jul 25, 2006 8:54 am   Your own hands
 

‘Your future is in your hands’ is practically a fixed sentence, in Spanish as in other languages. Of course the pronoun ‘su’ could mean ‘their’ here, but, unless you want to turn it into a joke, there’s no doubt to us that it means ‘your’.

Apart from that, if we wanted to say ‘your future is in their (the specialists’) hands – scary idea, though –, we would say ‘su futuro est? en manos de su especialista’ to leave no room for confusion.

Note that the sentence could also mean: 'Their future is in your/their hands'!!

Jamie wrote:

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Please read this paragraph and answer my question afterward.


Good advice, Jamie! Laughing
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Your own hands #4 (permalink) Tue Jul 25, 2006 9:05 am   Your own hands
 

By the way, in Russian we are always quite definite with the hands and future possessive Smile

Your future is in your own hands.
Our future is in his hands.
etc.

P.S. But there are also (as in English, I mean) some funnily fixed expressions like
'I saw it by my own eyes!' Smile
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Whose hands? #5 (permalink) Tue Jul 25, 2006 12:32 pm   Whose hands?
 

Okay, everybody. Here's what's going on. The Spanish paragraph says this:

Quote:
If you're a person with high blood pressure, accept the challenge of living a healthy life. The first step is to see a specialist. Your future is in your/his [it's not clear] hands.

I was having a doctor from Peru translate the article into English yesterday in his ESL lesson. I understood the last sentence to mean, "Your future is in your hands." This doctor, however, translated it as, "Your future is in his hands."

The problem is that the possessive pronoun "su" can mean your or his, depending on the interpretation, so technically either one of us could have been right.

This doctor claimed that our differing interpretation of the pronoun was cultural. We'd been talking before about how in the US, patients are encouraged to ask the doctor a lot of questions and to take an active role in their own health decisions. When I moved overseas for a while, doctors and nurses in the other country were shocked, and at first a little insulted, that I asked for explanations. They just expected me to do what they said because they said so. A typical conversation would go like this:

Quote:
ME: What are you going to inject into me?
NURSE: It won't hurt you.
ME: I didn't ask you if it would hurt me; I asked you what it is.
NURSE: Don't worry.
ME: I'm not worried. I just want you to explain what you're going to inject into me.
NURSE: It's something to strengthen your immune system.
ME: What's it called?
NURSE: Don't worry.
...

In the United States, the nurse or doctor would typically walk in with the syringe and say, "This is X. It's a drug that's supposed to help you with Y. Some people can't have it, but since you're not allergic to Z, it's a good choice for you. You should expect [...], but if you start to feel [...] call me up. While you're on this X, don't drink any alcohol, and don't exercise too hard for the first 24 hours. Is there anything you want to ask me about it?"

My student, however, said that in Peru, the doctor is considered just one level below God, and he usually won't explain anything. He said I interpreted the sentence the way I did because an American's default assumption is that the patient is in control, and that he understood it the way he did because Peruvians consider the doctor to be in control.
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