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"Dear Roland!" vs. "dear Roland, "



 
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"Dear Roland!" vs. "dear Roland, " Wed Jul 26, 2006 12:59 pm  "Dear Roland!" vs. "dear Roland, "
 

Hi all,

Please tell me what is the difference between :

Dear Roland,

and

Dear Roland!

Thanks
Khanh
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"Dear Roland!" vs. "dear Roland, " Wed Jul 26, 2006 17:29 pm  "Dear Roland!" vs. "dear Roland, "
 

Hello Van Khanh

So today it is proved that great minds think alike! I myself have been toying with the idea of sending this question, but could not really form it/ design it.

You will see that:

Mister Micawber writes: Hi, Tom
Amy writes: Hi Tom
Alan writes: Hi Tom,

Lets see other possibilities also:

1 - Hi Tom.
2 - Hi Tom!
3 - Hi Tom:
4 - Hi Tom;


Now we badly need one of the moderators to explain all of them to us.Not the future moderator, of course, i.e, myself Shocked

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"Dear Roland!" vs. "dear Roland, " Wed Jul 26, 2006 18:23 pm  "Dear Roland!" vs. "dear Roland, "
 

Tom wrote:
You will see that:

Mister Micawber writes: Hi, Tom
Amy writes: Hi Tom
Alan writes: Hi Tom,

Lets see other possibilities also:

1-Hi Tom. 2- Hi Tom!3- Hi Tom:4- Hi Tom;

Hi Tom and Khanh(,) Wink

Oddly enough, my information is this: in a formal letter, the comma is (nowadays) omitted after the salutation in the UK but not in the US. Laughing

An exclamation point ( ! ) after the salutation would be informal and I'd possibly use it to indicate excitement or enthusiasm. I suppose it could also indicate anger (which, of course, would be just a different type of excitement).

You've probably noticed that many people in an online forum omit the salutation altogether since a forum discussion is similar to an ongoing conversation.

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"Dear Roland!" vs. "dear Roland, " Wed Jul 26, 2006 21:12 pm  "Dear Roland!" vs. "dear Roland, "
 

Thank you, Amy Very Happy

But why does Mr. Micawber write it in a different way? Is this style American or British?

Amy wrote:
the comma is (nowadays) omitted after the salutation in the UK but not in the US.

Isn't it strange that Alan is the only one of all the moderators who does use a comma after salutation? And he is also from the UK! Shocked

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"Dear Roland!" vs. "dear Roland, " Wed Jul 26, 2006 21:46 pm  "Dear Roland!" vs. "dear Roland, "
 

Hi Tom Cool

I don't remember having seen MM begin a post the way you mentioned. In fact, I thought Mr. Mic was one of the people who usually omitted that part.

What you should keep in mind is the fact that the forum is not a letter. It's also not particularly formal. You can see that it's not formal by the use of "Hi". You should never begin a formal letter that way.

I don't use any of the "standard" expressions (such as Regards, Best regards, etc.) when I end an e-mail to someone in my family or to a friend. The "standard" format would sound too formal. So, instead I might write "See ya later" or "Bye for now." In those same e-mails, I also don't worry too terribly much about commas. Cool

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"Dear Roland!" vs. "dear Roland, " Thu Jul 27, 2006 3:08 am  "Dear Roland!" vs. "dear Roland, "
 

Hi Amy,

Please compare between :

Hi Tom.
Hi Tom:
Hi Tom;

Thanks
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"Dear Roland!" vs. "dear Roland, " Sat Jul 29, 2006 13:11 pm  "Dear Roland!" vs. "dear Roland, "
 

Van Khanh wrote:
Hi Amy,

Please compare between :

Hi Tom.
Hi Tom:
Hi Tom;

Thanks

I hope it's OK if I answer, even if I'm not Amy Smile !

    Hi Tom. => not normal English punctuation
    Hi Tom: => standard Spanish punctuation, not normal English punctuation
    Hi Tom; => not normal English punctuation
    Hi Tom! => standard German punctuation, informal English punctuation
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"Dear Roland!" vs. "dear Roland, " Sat Jul 29, 2006 13:25 pm  "Dear Roland!" vs. "dear Roland, "
 

Conchita is right. Those are all punctuated incorrectly.
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"Dear Roland!" vs. "dear Roland, " Sun Jul 30, 2006 3:40 am  "Dear Roland!" vs. "dear Roland, "
 

Hi Conchita,

Thanks for your response. I'm always look for your the response of any person.

Thanks. Very Happy
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