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Hi Tamara,
Just as an aside seeing that you like Agatha Christie, have you ever read any of Dorothy L Sayers?
You asked: | Quote: | | In contrary, would To whom? be the formal equivalent? |
Yes, in contrast to whom would be the formal equivalent.
As for whom it is not used much because when you say it in an unstressed position, you can hardly hear it as in:
This is the writer (whom) I recommended
but as in the example you quoted ie to whom in the stressed position, it's alive and kicking. Can I steer you in all modesty to my material on the site on relatives:
http://www.english-test.net/lessons/21/index.html
http://www.english-test.net/lessons/22/index.html
http://www.english-test.net/lessons/23/index.html
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| Sat Aug 19, 2006 11:12 am Prepositions |
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Hi Tamara,
With reference to:
| Quote: | What do you have to bring a person who put forward such a ridiculous idea so seriously round?
Two 'particular' questions.
Are the sentences correct (from the point of the thread):
When am I to wake you up?
It was about the customs we all grew up with.
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In the first one the gap between the verb bring and the particle round is too big -it's almost German in its construction - and so you've got to say: bring a person round.
Your two particular questions are fine.
On Ms Sayers don't be put off by the info you've seen. She is a detective story writer but it's the style that I find most impressive. She was also a bit of a character and was always on the search to find out more about anything that took her fancy. (explored by ways of knowledge). As to being a traditional Anglican - she was brought up in the Church of England naturally as her father was the local Anglican vicar but it wasn't the outward show of religion that interested her but more the teaching (doctrine). She didn't by all accounts care what she looked like but was a passionate thinker and activist. She wrote a play for BBC radio I think in the 50's called Man Born To Be King about the crucifixion of Christ, which is great theatre but caused quite a shock at the time because actors were used for the first time to speak the words of God and Christ. I am a fan of hers!
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| Sat Aug 19, 2006 13:27 pm Prepositions |
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Hi Alan,
| Quote: | | the gap between the verb bring and the particle round is too big |
Hmm. As I understand, there is no 'formal rule' for 'too big', it’s just your native feeling…
OK….
Thanks for your introduction. Your personal opinion and recommendation are valuable for me.
| Quote: | | but more the teaching (doctrine) |
Sorry for my misunderstanding and lazyness…
For me doctrine - mainly and firstly - means dogma. So, I asked the question because (for me) without 'with emphasis on doctrine' (just with 'traditional') the sentence would have the same meaning…
Now I’ve looked into dictionaries…
You’re right.
| Quote: | | When am I to wake you up? |
Sentences of such kind are actually tongue-twisters… I can’t say that naturally… it sounds as if I am a natural stammerer…
Thanks.
Have a nice weekend,
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| Sun Aug 20, 2006 6:10 am Questionball... :-) |
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| Tamara wrote: | For example:
What do you have to bring a person who put forward such a ridiculous idea so seriously round? |
I think I can probably help you on this question, but I can't understand this sentence you've given here. How can you "put forward an idea round"? It doesn't seem to make any sense.
I think this sentence is nonsensical, because if round is a preposition, then it has to have had some kind of object. However, there isn't anything in the sentence that could have served as its object. What can't be the object of round, because it's the direct object of bring. The object of round can't be who, because who is the subject of put. It seems to me that round doesn't have any purpose there. |
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| Sun Aug 20, 2006 10:25 am Sentence |
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Hi Tamara,
Let's rewrite your sentence:
What do you have to do to bring a person round to your point of view,who put forward such a ridiculous idea so seriously?
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| Sun Aug 20, 2006 13:10 pm 'Who to?' : prepositions in the end of a sentence |
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I see. Then the sentence will be good by moving round next to the verb it belongs to.
What do you have to bring round a person who put forward such a ridiculous idea so seriously?
The issue is not the placement of a preposition, because round is a verb particle here and not a preposition. The reason the sentence was confusing was that it was unclear whether the round was meant to belong to something in the main clause or the adjective clause. Moving it over next to its verb clarifies this. Alan's explanation about the length of the adjective clause is true, but this is because there was a verb intervening between bring and its particle round, so it wasn't clear that the two belonged to each other. |
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But sometimes I come back and understand a bit more 