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#2 (permalink) Fri Sep 01, 2006 9:21 am True |
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Hi Tamara,
I would rewrite:
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I demanded to know from her immediately whether it was true or not ...
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#3 (permalink) Fri Sep 01, 2006 9:24 am Meaning of 'whether it was NOT true' |
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Alan, that's A.Christie...
OK. I understand the point. Thank you. _________________ It’s impossible to learn swimming without entering the water… |
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#4 (permalink) Fri Sep 01, 2006 9:27 am Meaning of 'whether it was NOT true' |
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Hi Tamara
Before I give you my opinion about a possible difference in meaning, let me ask you what difference you see (feel) between the two "direct speech" examples I've written: ;)
1. Direct speech: "Is it not true that it happened?" 2. Indirect speech: I asked her whether it was not true that it had happened.
1a. Direct speech: "Did it happen?" 2a. Indirect speech: I asked her whether it had happened.
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#5 (permalink) Fri Sep 01, 2006 9:40 am Meaning of 'whether it was NOT true' |
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Yes, Amy, that’s the point. Thank you.
In your second case (and Alan's one) I am/was just interested to know (from a witness) whether the fact itself has/had taken place. Or not :)
In the first your case I have/had a definite own version (suspicion, evidence, opinion, etc.) and is/was just seeking for it's (complete) validation. (But am quite sure in it.)
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#6 (permalink) Fri Sep 01, 2006 10:33 am Meaning of 'whether it was NOT true' |
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. Perfect! In the first case the speaker is likely asking for verification of what he/she already believes to be true.
Go to the head of the class, Tamara.  . _________________ "Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a man's character, give him power." ~ Abraham Lincoln |
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