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#2 (permalink) Sat Sep 02, 2006 12:21 pm Tense |
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Hi Tamara,
It very much depends on the aspect, the way you look at it.
If you say:
I have always wanted to drive a sports car and now I have one, I'm over the moan. That suggests that the wanting has gone on up till now.
If you say:
I always wanted to live in a farmhouse when I was a child.
That tells you that the wanting went on for the time you were a child but it has no reference to now because you are no longer a child.
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#3 (permalink) Sat Sep 02, 2006 12:29 pm Tense |
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Yes, Alan, in this case it’s clear.
I meant that if I say "I always wanted to live in a farmhouse full stop
would it mean exactly the same? (up till now)
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#4 (permalink) Sat Sep 02, 2006 12:36 pm Tense |
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Hi Tamara,
In your sentence:
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I meant that if I say "I always wanted to live in a farmhouse full stop
would it mean exactly the same?
Or it’s too 'American' for the UK use? |
There is a hint to me that it's too late now but on reflection it could also mean that you are describing a wanting you had in the past and here you are in the farmhouse.
Hope I haven't confused the issue.
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#5 (permalink) Sat Sep 02, 2006 12:42 pm I have always [wanted, considered, …] |
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Hi Tamara
Believe it or not, it's not unheard of for Americans to use present perfect. We just tend to use it less often.
In your sentence and with no further context, I'd say an American would assume that the wanting has ended --- possibly because you now live in a farmhouse (and therefore you don't have to yearn for it anymore).
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#6 (permalink) Sat Sep 02, 2006 12:45 pm Tense |
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So, if I understand you right, to you (both) use of Present Perfect in this case indicates that the objective situation is (has been ) changed. (That has affected the willing, in some way/sense).
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#7 (permalink) Sat Sep 02, 2006 13:09 pm I have always [wanted, considered, …] |
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Hi Tamara
Yes, for me the 'longing for something' is finished.
And now you're either glad you finally have it or are asking yourself why in the world you ever wanted it in the first place ... 
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#9 (permalink) Sat Sep 02, 2006 13:19 pm I have always [wanted, considered, …] |
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Hi Tamara
With no other context, I'd understand that the person should tell you about something that they have not done yet, but have always wanted to do. They're still hoping it'll happen. 
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#10 (permalink) Sat Sep 02, 2006 13:22 pm I have always [wanted, considered, …] |
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OK.
Now I ask
What did you always want to do?
(Does in this case - to you - there is a bit of hopelessness (unfeasibility ), sounding in the question itself ) ?) _________________ It’s impossible to learn swimming without entering the water… |
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#11 (permalink) Sat Sep 02, 2006 13:41 pm I have always [wanted, considered, …] |
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. If you asked an American "What did you always want to do?"....
Well, I'd say if you asked that question out of the blue (i.e., interpretation is based on only that sentence alone), then I assume they'd understand the same thing as in the present perfect question.
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#12 (permalink) Sat Sep 02, 2006 13:50 pm I have always [wanted, considered, …] |
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Thank you, Amy, indeed (and sorry for the 'interrogation'... )
Hopefully, Alan will add something about how the questions sound for British ears.... _________________ It’s impossible to learn swimming without entering the water… |
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