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From Michael Swan: As is well known... #1 (permalink) Sat Sep 02, 2006 22:31 pm   From Michael Swan: As is well known...
 

Hi

M. Swan suggests that it is not required in the given sentences:

1- They lost money, as (it) was expected.
2- The train may be late, as (it) happened yesterday.
3- As (it) is well known...
4- As (it) is in your knowledge that a new campus is...

I would like to know if it is wrong to put it here or there is also a difference of opinion somewhere! Secondly, he does not deal with this topic in detail. Look at the given sentence please.

1- The train may be late, as (it) was yesterday.

What about this one? Even it is wrong here?

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From Michael Swan: As is well known... #2 (permalink) Sat Sep 02, 2006 23:24 pm   From Michael Swan: As is well known...
 

Hi Tom

In the first 3 Swan examples, adding the word it would sound very strange. I'd never even consider adding it.

The 4th Swan example sounds strange to me both with and without it. Laughing

In your example, omitting the word it would result in your sentence meaning that yesterday was late (rather than the train). Shocked

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From Michael Swan: As is well known... #3 (permalink) Sun Sep 03, 2006 6:17 am   From Michael Swan: As is well known...
 

Amy wrote:
The 4th Swan example sounds strange to me both with and without it


Yes, it may, because it is my own creation! Shocked

Amy, If you are writing a formal letter to your director about something which he already knows, how would you start that?

1- As (it) is in your knowledge...
2- As you already know...(does it sound formal???)

I would request for a few more sentences where a subject is not required after AS. My concept is still not 100% clear.

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From Michael Swan: As is well known... #4 (permalink) Sun Sep 03, 2006 14:04 pm   From Michael Swan: As is well known...
 

Tom wrote:
1- As (it) is in your knowledge... I would never say this
2- As you already know...(does it sound formal???) "As you know" would be a standard way to simply say that you are aware that you're not giving the listener any new information but are directing their attention to something already known. Adding the word already could sound a bit sarcastic. You can also say "As you may/probably know..."

I would request for a few more sentences where a subject is not required after AS. My concept is still not 100% clear.


- As feared, my attempt to explain my point of view to her was a waste of time and energy. (In this sentence, the word I has been omitted and is optional)

- As was feared by many involved, the so-called solution only made matters worse. (I would never consider adding it in this sentence.)

- As is frequently the case, Tom had a follow-up question. (I would never consider adding it in this sentence.)

- That sentence, as currently written, is very misleading. (The words it is are optional and can be added here.)

Does that help, Tom?

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From Michael Swan: As is well known... #5 (permalink) Sun Sep 03, 2006 17:22 pm   From Michael Swan: As is well known...
 

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Does that help, Tom?


Yes, Amy, it does! Very Happy Laughing

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