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Hi Tamara
The phrase "so much so that" refers back to something that's just been previously said and means "this is the case to such a large degree that". Here is another example taken from BNC: ;)
She was very relieved, so much so that she felt weak. =
"She was very relieved. She was so very relieved that she felt weak."
Does that clear things up?
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| #3 (permalink) Sun Sep 03, 2006 15:29 pm …so much so that… |
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Hi Amy
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| She was very relieved, so much so that she felt weak. |
She was relived so mush that she felt weak.
The same?
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| refers back to something that's just been previously said... |
…To me, when the expression starts a sentence and the sentence don’t contain a direct reference to 'some extent' of something (as in my first example), it’s rather difficult to understand it.
Sounds unnatural…
Thank you, Amy, for the explanation.
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| #4 (permalink) Sun Sep 03, 2006 15:59 pm …so much so that… |
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Hi Tamara
I also found the phrase at the beginnings of sentences in both in BNC and Google. In such a case, it's not really a complete sentence (strictly speaking), but rather a further comment or afterthought. Therefore, it's only possible to know what "so much so" refers to if you have the previous sentence.
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She was relieved so much that she felt weak.
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That sentence sounds a bit awkward to me. I've already given you my equivalent, but here's a variation: She was so extremely relieved (that) she felt weak.
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| #5 (permalink) Sun Sep 03, 2006 17:27 pm …so much so that… |
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| So much so that, when the various category prizes were announced, he all but swept the board. |
Could you please shed some light on the sentence? What does it exactly mean?
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| #6 (permalink) Sun Sep 03, 2006 17:51 pm …so much so that… |
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Tom! Didn't you read my post? :cry:
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| I also found the phrase at the beginnings of sentences in both in BNC and Google. In such a case, it's not really a complete sentence (strictly speaking), but rather a further comment or afterthought. Therefore, it's only possible to know what "so much so" refers to if you have the previous sentence. |
Without the previous sentence, it's not possible to tell you exactly what it means. The only thing that's clear is that someone won a prize in almost every category at some kind of awards ceremony.
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Hi Amy
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| I've already given you my equivalent, but ... |
Amy… sorry…
I read your posts carefully, believe me.
Just wanted to see what happens with the meaning if I omit two words from your initial sentence.
Nothing…
About the style – yes, thank you.
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| Therefore, it's only possible to know what "so much so" refers to if you have the previous sentence. |
Thanks a lot for that.
Clear.
That’s it - my mistake, I mean. I was trying to understand such a sentence from the sentence itself and so suspected the expression in having some another meaning :)
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Hi Tamara
Just imagine this as a sentence: "So much so that she felt weak." Nobody could have any idea whatsoever why she felt weak without more context (i.e., the previous sentence)
That's the same situation in the sentence Tom asked about.
In that case, the previous sentence might have been (for example):
"He was more talented than most of the other contenders"
OR it might have been:
"He influenced the judges with money before the awards ceremony"
OR
any number of other things.... :lol:
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