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| Quote: | | Are there some other accents of the English (for instance American or Australian ) which probably are more fluent? |
I found all kinds of English accents hard to understand
one exemption would be West Canada - people from
Vanquver I really don't know were is a secret but they speak very clear.And if you may say so without any accent.
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| Wed Sep 06, 2006 23:40 pm How we think is how we talk? |
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| Jan wrote: | | Your first sentence just crushed me ...?? |
Hi Jan!
Sorry for that. But what crushed you?
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| Thu Sep 07, 2006 1:13 am How we think is how we talk? |
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| spencer wrote: | Hi Jan,
What do you mean by without accent?
I think there is no such a thing as without accent.
That accent is a bit more understable for you. |
I agree with you, Spencer, there’s always some kind of accent, be it ever so slight. But I think I know what Jan means. Some people have a ‘purer’, clearer, kind of more neutral accent. Colombian Spanish, for example, while not exactly accentfree, is spoken so clearly and slowly that it’s the closest thing to an accentless and perfect Spanish, I think. |
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| Thu Sep 07, 2006 8:24 am How we think is how we talk? |
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| Quote: | | Provided that we are thinking by using a language is our pronounciation due to our thinking |
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Hi, I had problems to understand this,I presume it is gramatical correct but when have tried to follow a track
I was getting lost many times.
After all,I thought to get it but then again some
doubts etc.
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| Thu Sep 07, 2006 8:55 am How we think is how we talk? |
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| Quote: | | What do you mean by without accent? |
Well if you have a profesional actress, she would speak
very clear.
If you have Polish profesional actress speaking
English she would speak possible clear and possible with Polish accent.
But for me would be her Polish accent decoded as no accent at all .(I guess)
Some people have such a flat accent that it is created an impression of no accent at all.
But then You may be "classified" as Vanquver fellow and
You have at the end again some accent called noaccent ...
I found much more easier to understand profesional
actor or actress as anybody else.
It has something to do with clear theatrical talking or maybe a trained declamation or a correct diction.
(wild guess)
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| Thu Sep 07, 2006 9:58 am How we think is how we talk? |
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Hi Michael!
Nice to hear you here again, with any pronunciation you prefer. 
| Quote: | | I?ve noticed that the British pronounciation can be rather hard and abrupt. |
As you perhaps know, the ‘standard’ English pronunciation is the South Anglia one (mainly, so-called London accent). All others are... others.
British pronunciation… Hmm. What I already know (from my own many-month practice) is that you can be quite experienced with understanding the 'standard BBC' accent, but when you listen to people from the North, you can extremely hardly understand them – as it’s another English.
They tend to pronounce some words literally (I heard 'fun', 'conducted' and the like), they speak some sounds much more briefly (e.g., in fasten), you probably don’t manage to make distinguish between pastor and pasta , etc, etc,...
| spencer wrote: | | If you understand one accent already, get used to another. |
I consider my personal chances to understand clearly people from Wales, ever, as quite low  – even though the wife of one of my neighbours is from there (by the way, the wife of another one is the Irish )
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| Thu Sep 07, 2006 13:09 pm The very special accent |
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| Quote: | I mean, that it seems that quite many politicians
and 'celebrity' people have no any intention to leave their ‘national’ accent. And, in opposite, even try to fix it as a special part of their image.[ |
Possible not only them,
I remember a Spanish girl educated in USA and living in Barcelona which had in general caused a lot of jealously among her countrymen in States due to her strong Spanish accent.
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| Thu Sep 07, 2006 21:21 pm How we think is how we talk? |
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| Jan wrote: | | Quote: | | Provided that we are thinking by using a language is our pronounciation due to our thinking |
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Hi, I had problems to understand this,I presume it is gramatical correct but when have tried to follow a track
I was getting lost many times.
After all,I thought to get it but then again some
doubts etc.
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Hi Jan!
You?re certainly right. I mean, when I would come across such a sentence I myself probably would wonder what it means.  But, please let me give a short explanation:
When I started writing this topic I unconscious was reminded to a formerly post from Jamie (k) ( Jamie, sorry, this isn?t an offend) in which Jamie claimed not to think in a language at all. At least I understood Jamie this way. Well, this exclamation challenged me sometimes to think about. I mean, when I take an issue (learning a second language, for instance ) I do by reading, listening and working over some new information in my brains. And to do that I only see (know) the possibility to use a language. Of course, in the everyday?s life one often come across many standard-situations which one don?t have to think about but react or act on them automatically.
Concerning my sentence, you?re wonderring about, I intended to ask you all whether your pronounciation you use when you think through what you want to talk about is the same that you use when you would speak out your thoughts aloud? Hm.... Rather difficult again!  But I don?t know how to make it easier to comprehend!
By the way, I?d like to know whether that sentence would be grammatically correct, too.
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| Thu Sep 07, 2006 22:36 pm How we think is how we talk? |
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| Tamara wrote: | Hi Michael!
Nice to hear you here again, with any pronunciation you prefer. |
Hi Tamara!
Thank you for your warm welcome back. Seriously, I don?t prefer any pronounciation as I don?t really know any else than my poor school-English.
| Quote: | | Quote: | | I?ve noticed that the British pronounciation can be rather hard and abrupt. |
As you perhaps know, the ‘standard’ English pronunciation is the South Anglia one (mainly, so-called London accent). All others are... others. |
Hm... London accent is certainly what I hear when listening BFBS and what I sometimes notice is that speakers often stop talking unexpected -at least in my opinion- . That is what makes following a talk there often.
| Quote: | | They tend to pronounce some words literally (I heard 'fun', 'conducted' and the like), they speak some sounds much more briefly (e.g., in fasten), you probably don’t manage to make distinguish between pastor and pasta , etc, etc,... |
Interestingly you mentioned pastor-pasta. My Grandma, although never had learned English, pronounced pastor like the Italian pasta, too. That was because she was rooted in Westfalia what? tongue some familarity to the English shows, at least concerning the pronounciation. 
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| Fri Sep 08, 2006 1:08 am How we think is how we talk? |
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| Quote: | | Concerning my sentence, you?re wonderring about, I intended to ask you all whether your pronounciation you use when you think through what you want to talk about is the same that you use when you would speak out your thoughts aloud? Hm.... Rather difficult again! But I don?t know how to make it easier to comprehend! |
Verstehe , verstehe,
Just about me it is a bit different , I need to know what the correct pronounciation is, then I am able to use it.
In my head everything is very fast and I don't know if
any accent or pronounciation would be there.
I guess at the beginning you should just know correct version.
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