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Tense: Yesterday was the 1. day when he learned his lesson #1 (permalink) Fri Sep 15, 2006 15:30 pm   Tense: Yesterday was the 1. day when he learned his lesson
 

Before, one friend of mine has ever learned his lesson. But yesterday, he did that. So, I will say (1) or (2)?What is the difference in menaing btw (1) and (2)?:

1.Yesterday was the first day when he learned his lesson.
2.Yesterday was the first day when he has learned his lesson.

Quoc

PS: When used here (as in: I'll never forget the day when I met you (3)) is correct? If not, please explain me why when in (3) is correct but when in either (1) or (2) is incorrect?
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Tense #2 (permalink) Mon Sep 18, 2006 2:50 am   Tense
 

Hi Quoc

There are a couple of things here:
Quote:
Before, one friend of mine has ever learned his lesson
.
Do you mean (as I think you do): "Before yesterday/ Upto yesterday/ Previously, a friend of mine never learned his lessons/ never studied/ never did his school work.
The expression "to learn his lesson" means to "realise the error of his ways", to "understand that what he was doing was wrong, a why he was punished for it".

Quote:
But yesterday, he did that

But yesterday he began to work/ or to study/ to do his lessons.

Quote:
Yesterday was the first day when he learned his lesson.

You don't need to say "when".

You can say:
"Yesterday is the first day he studied at school" or
"Yesterday is the first day he has studied at school since he started going there".

Remember "lessons" should be plural. It isn't just one lesson.
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Tense #3 (permalink) Mon Sep 18, 2006 4:29 am   Tense
 

Thanks Sir,

In my mentioned situation:
Before yesterday,upto yesterday, previously have the same meaning?

never learned his lessons,never studied, never did his school work have the same meaning?

If not, please tell me the difference.

Thanks
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Tenses #4 (permalink) Mon Sep 18, 2006 8:48 am   Tenses
 

Hi,

You asked which of these two is correct:

Quote:
1.Yesterday was the first day when he learned his lesson.
2.Yesterday was the first day when he has learned his lesson.


Let's follow the time through the sentence. Yesterday (past idea) was (past idea) learned (past idea). If you choose has learned, you are creating a clash of different times: then and up till then.

Let's simplify the sentence and convey the same idea: He did it yesterday for the first time/Yesterday he did it for the first time.

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Tense #5 (permalink) Mon Sep 18, 2006 11:41 am   Tense
 

Hi Quoc,

Yes, those phrases do have the same meaning.

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