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Grammar question: No vs. Not #1 (permalink) Tue Sep 19, 2006 4:21 am   Grammar question: No vs. Not
 

Hi,

Please read:
1. This use is not common.
2. This use is no common.
3. This use is not naturel.
4. This use is no naturel.

I think all are correct. Is this right?If not, what is teh rule?

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No vs not #2 (permalink) Tue Sep 19, 2006 13:40 pm   No vs not
 

tung quoc wrote:
Common and natural are adjectives:

1. This use is not common. CORRECT
2. This use is no common. WRONG
3. This use is not natural. CORRECT
4. This use is no natural. WRONG

I think all are correct. Is this right?If not, what is teh rule?

You can use the word no with nouns to say "not ... any":

I do not have any answers. = I have no answers.
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No vs not #3 (permalink) Tue Sep 19, 2006 15:24 pm   No vs not
 

Dear teacher,

In your opinion,in this case, we can't use no+adj.
So, why we can say:

1.If you're no better, call me. (better: adj)
=If you aren't better, call me.

2.This book is no more expensive than that one. (more: adv)
=This book isn't expensive than that one.

But we can't say:

3.This use is no common. (common: adj)
4.He runs no fast. (fast:adv)

Pleas explain me and tell me a rule.

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No vs not #4 (permalink) Tue Sep 19, 2006 18:08 pm   No vs not
 

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It's possible to use no with an adjective if:

- the adjective is comparative (as in your new examples)
- the adjective precedes a noun (We have no common ground.)
.

Comparative form:

4.He runs no faster now than he did last year.
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No vs not #5 (permalink) Wed Sep 20, 2006 1:33 am   No vs not
 

Dear teacher,

1.It's only possible to use no with an adverb if:

- the adverb is comparative
- the adverb precedes a noun (2)

So, I can't write: He runs no fast.
But I have to write: He runs no faster now than he did last year.

Is this statement right?

2.Could you give me an example with (2)

Thanks
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No vs not #6 (permalink) Wed Sep 20, 2006 7:56 am   No vs not
 

tung quoc wrote:
Dear teacher,

1.It's only possible to use no with an adverb if:

- the adverb is comparative
- the adverb precedes a noun (2) Adjectives modify nouns.
Ex: We have no common (adj.) ground (noun).


NOTE: The comparative form of the adjective "expensive" is "more expensive".

So, I can't write: He runs no fast. No, you can't. That's why I gave you the example.
But I have to write: He runs no faster now than he did last year. You can also say "He runs no faster". I added more to the sentence so that you could see the comparative aspect of the word "faster" more clearly.

Is this statement right?

2.Could you give me an example with (2) No, you should give ME an example and tell me why you decided to change what I wrote about adjectives.

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No vs not #7 (permalink) Wed Sep 20, 2006 14:30 pm   No vs not
 

You wrote:

2.Could you give me an example with (2) No, you should give ME an example and tell me why you decided to change what I wrote about adjectives. [/quote]

Here is my example:

Please see the above question. (above: adv)

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No vs not #8 (permalink) Wed Sep 20, 2006 15:09 pm   No vs not
 

tung quoc wrote:
Here is my example:

Please see the above question. (above: adv)
"There is no above question in this quote and the word "above" is no adverb in this sentence or in your sentence." Wink


Above has basically only one usage as an adjective and you have found it, Quoc.
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Explanations #9 (permalink) Wed Sep 20, 2006 16:02 pm   Explanations
 

Hi Quoc,

I would ask you firstly to read carefully the explanations you are being given and secondly to take to heart the advice you have been given repeatedly to refer to text, to context. What is happening is that you are indulging in a sort of personal answer service and that is really of no use to other users of the forum. Do you understand what I am saying?

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