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Meaning of Villainous dictum | Idiom: 'happy go lucky'
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Warred, warring, wars Fri Sep 22, 2006 17:14 pm  Warred, warring, wars
 

Hi

While continuing my voluntary English-proverb-excursion ('dog-eat(..)-dog', hi, Amy Smile), I’ve encountered
Wolf never wars against wolf.
It seems to be not a pure proverb, but that doesn’t matter in this topic. Smile

My question is about to war.
The verb can be found in all dictionaries – even in small ones - as the third/forth meaning for war.

With warring as a gerund and warred as the Past Participle form.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/war

But.
Mr. Google, after listing of just a few links for warring says
Quote:
See results for: waring

And in response to the warred-request firstly asks cautiously:
Quote:
Did you mean to search for: warren

Shocked

Hmm. What's wrong? (and where... Laughing)
Could you give some comments about actual use of war as a verb?
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Warred, warring, wars Fri Sep 22, 2006 17:22 pm  Warred, warring, wars
 

Hi Tamara

I'd say you'll basically only see the verb war in the present participle form (warring). I can't remember ever having heard it used any other way.

The expression "Wolf never wars against wolf." is new for me, too. Wink
Where are you getting these expressions from?

Amy

EDIT:
I found it entertaining (in the dictionary link) that the word war and the German word "Wurst" (sausage) have a common root. Laughing
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Warred, warring, wars Fri Sep 22, 2006 19:01 pm  Warred, warring, wars
 

Thank you, Amy.

By the way, Google seems to be a bit more tolerant to warred than to warring. (Not in terms of numbers-of-use, but... in the general reaction itself Smile )
Whereas BNC is rather indifferent - both ('warred' and 'warring') are acceptable.

OK.
But to me it (actual use of the verb, I mean) is quite surprising.

Yankee wrote:
Where are you getting these expressions from?
They are parts of explanations of some English proverbs for Russians by giving some equivalent sayings or idioms.

In this case ('Wolf ...') - for 'There is honour among thieves' and for 'Hawk will not pick out hawk's eyes.'.

P.S. By the way, ultimately I've found a reference to that 'The mouse lordships where a cat is not'.
15th century. Smile
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Warred, warring, wars Fri Sep 22, 2006 19:44 pm  Warred, warring, wars
 

Tamara wrote:
By the way, Google is a bit more tolerant to warred than to warring. (Not in terms of numbers-of-use, but... in general reaction itself Smile )

I've looked at the Google results. I get a couple of references to the "Waring Company" on the first page, but other than that, it looks like most of the 5 million results are for warring. Shocked

Tamara wrote:
Whereas BNC is rather indifferent - both ('warred' and 'warring') are acceptable.

For "warred", the BNC results all look literary and there were only 14 results. (Actually, I'm surprised there were even that many. Laughing)
"Warring" had 194 results and the usages all look much more "normal" to me (i.e., not like some romance novelist looking for words to use that no normal person ever uses. Laughing)

Tamara wrote:
'There is honour among thieves'

Now, there's one I've heard. (But when I hear it, there's a "u" missing...Wink)


Tamara wrote:
and for 'Hawk will not pick out hawk's eyes.'
That's very similar to something I've heard in German.

Tamara wrote:
P.S. By the way, ultimately I've found a reference to that 'The mouse lordships where a cat is not'.
15th century. Smile
Ahhh... That explains why I hadn't heard it? But it certainly seems to be quite true. I know my cats are excellent "mouse police". Very Happy

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Mouse policy :) Fri Sep 22, 2006 23:58 pm  Mouse policy :)
 

Yankee wrote:
But it certainly seems to be quite true. I know my cats are excellent "mouse police".



peace, not war Smile Wink
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Warly Wed Sep 27, 2006 8:58 am  Warly
 

Again...

By any chance I've met warly - one more word from this stange family...
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