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#2 (permalink) Mon Oct 09, 2006 9:25 am Frowning |
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Hi Tamara,
I can't see frowning at himself working because that would be a physical impossibility - unless of course we're talking mirrors. Frowning to himself is as good as frowning in meaning. By using the reflexive form you are suggesting the idea that he is on his own as usually frowning would perhaps be an outward sign to another person. This is similar to laughing to himself/smiling to himself/thinking to himself and so on, all indicating that he is doing all these things privately/on his own.
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#3 (permalink) Mon Oct 09, 2006 9:46 am Put on thinking cap :) |
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Hi Alan
Thank you for the explanation. Generally I understand that...
My trouble is because in Russian many verbs have ONLY reflexive form (any others would sound very unnatural).
For example, in Russian 'laughing to myself' is doubly reflexive, in some sense :)
P.S.
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#4 (permalink) Mon Oct 09, 2006 11:28 am Tut-tutting at yourself! |
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| I sometimes figuratively frown at myself when I feel annoyed with myself. But perhaps I should say that I frown on some of the things I do or that I tut at myself! :) |
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#5 (permalink) Mon Oct 09, 2006 11:34 am Frowning to himself :) |
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Frowning to himself, he watched…
1. Why not say just 'frowning'? |
Maybe he's just frowning inwardly. |
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#6 (permalink) Tue Oct 10, 2006 8:02 am Frowning to himself :) |
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Hi Conchita
Thank you.
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Hmm. Strange to me, but interesting.
By the way, in Russian we can use non-reflexive form of 'frown' (i.e. use the verb with no the special grammatical particle that denotes the reflexive form) only when we point 'an object' specifically (frown WHAT):
He is frowning his forehead. (or brows), for example
But, as I understand, in English you don’t use frown with 'forehead', just 'to frown' or 'to knit one's brows'. Right?
Or what 'objects' can be used with frown in English in this sense (if any))? _________________ It’s impossible to learn swimming without entering the water… |
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#7 (permalink) Tue Oct 10, 2006 8:15 am Frowning to himself :) |
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Hi Tamara
The verb frown is most often used as an intransitive verb, so the only way to use an object would be to combine frown with a preposition: - He frowned at me. - He frowns on/upon anything less than complete honesty.
As a transitive verb, you might be able to say things such as: - He frowned his disapproval.
In other words, he indicated his disapproval by frowning.
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#8 (permalink) Tue Oct 10, 2006 12:32 pm Frown him down |
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- He frowned his disapproval.
In other words, he indicated his disapproval by frowning.
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Thank a lot, Amy, I didn't know this use! (and couldn't ever suppose :) )
What I've now found is frown him down, but perhaps frown down is a phrasal verb (it's not a question, I will check it a bit later by myself). _________________ It’s impossible to learn swimming without entering the water… |
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