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What good are the Cambridge ESOL Examinations? Mon Oct 09, 2006 23:42 pm  What good are the Cambridge ESOL Examinations?
 

Hello, teachers!

As mentioned in my introduction, I'm preparing for the Cambridge Certificate of Proficiency in English. I wanted to ask an independent, yet reliable, source if the Cambridge certificates are recognised world-wide or just in Europe. Furthermore, do they suffice (as an evidence of English language skills) to get a job in the UK or elsewhere?
And last but not least, what are the advantages of having the Certificate of Proficiency (Level C2) instead of the Certificate of Advanced English (Level C1)?
Which would be considered better - to have passed the CPE examination with a C or to have passed the CAE examination with an A (as far as I know, it does matter what grade you get - it's not just failed/passed)?

I hope that my enquiries don't sound too mistrustful Confused If you have more information of importance please share it.

Official site of the Cambridge ESOL Examinations
Thank you in advance for your time,
Stanislav

P.S. One of the main reasons for my curiosity is that there are sub-forums and vocabulary on this site for other examinations, but not for the ESOL ones.
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TOEIC vs. Cambridge Tue Oct 10, 2006 11:46 am  TOEIC vs. Cambridge
 

Hi Stanislav,

I think it's always a question of how you define "recognized" and what you really want to achieve. Let's say you want to get a job in the UK. At some point sooner to later you will have to speak to some of the decision makers in person. The vast majority of business executives don't know too much about ESL certificates because they take it for granted that a successful person is willing to improve their communication and language skills constantly.

So, holding a Cambridge English Certificate is a great advantage because it shows that you are able to set and achieve goals. The certificate itself is not the most important thing. Most employers simply want to know how you can contribute to their company's success. What do know about their industry, their customers, their competitors?

If look at the ESL certificate market, you will find that the TOEIC is by far the most widely used Business English test worldwide. There are a number of reasons for this and if I had the chance I would go for the TOEIC.

Let me know what you think,
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TOEIC vs. Cambridge Tue Oct 10, 2006 19:00 pm  TOEIC vs. Cambridge
 

Hello, Torsten,

I made the mistake of forgetting that it's the knowledge itself that matters and not the certification of that knowledge. It's good to know that employers also share this vision.

As far as the TOEIC is concerned - I'm not actually familiar with any of the ESL examinations because this is the first time I am going to take courses in English with the set goal of getting hold of a certificate. It's just that the Cambridge examinations are the most popular ones among the English learners here (ot at least in my school). Maybe in the future I could go for the TOEIC too if needed. One question though, what exactly is the difference between General English and Business English exams and certificates?

I am confused as to why it says (regarding the Cambridge ESOL):

http://www.cambridgeesol.org/exams/index.htm wrote:
These are the world's leading range of certificates for learners of English. Each year, they are taken by over 1.5 million people, in 135 countries and are widely recognised for work and study purposes.

while the following excerpt can be found at http://www.english-test.net/toeic/:

Quote:
TOEIC is an acronym that stands for Test Of English for International Communication. It is the most widely used English language exam taken by more than 4 million business professionals worldwide.

How can both be the leading range and the most widely used at the same time?
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What good are the Cambridge ESOL Examinations? Tue Oct 10, 2006 19:36 pm  What good are the Cambridge ESOL Examinations?
 

Sorry for astraying from the main point, but, (?) that is why Bulgaria is slacking in almost everything. All of the "brains" go to work/study abroad...
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TOEIC vs. Cambridge Tue Oct 10, 2006 19:54 pm  TOEIC vs. Cambridge
 

sls wrote:
How can both be the leading range and the most widely used at the same time?

Hi Stanislav,

It's all a question of definition. The Cambridge Certificates are a suite of exams and if you count all the candidates who take one of the exams you get the total number of 1,5 million.
The TOEIC is just one test that caters to the business world. Unlike the Cambridge exams, you will always pass the TOEIC test because it uses a much more versatile and flexible system. It was designed to measure the English language proficiency of employees in international corporations.

If you work for such a company you have to be able to manage any communication situation. There is no "failing" in interacting with another human being. So why should there be a "failing" of a test?

To put it in a nutshell: The most important English language test is life itself. If you can achieve your personal and professional goals using your language skills, if you can "get the message across", you pass the test.

Let me know what you think.
Regards,
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What good are the Cambridge ESOL Examinations? Tue Oct 10, 2006 20:19 pm  What good are the Cambridge ESOL Examinations?
 

Hi SkiIucK and Torsten, I hope you are having a lovely evening.

SkiIucK wrote:
Sorry for astraying from the main point, but, (?) that is why Bulgaria is slacking in almost everything. All of the "brains" go to work/study abroad...

Unfortunately, you're right! There are reasons for this trend, the most common of which seems to be frustration. The situation is bad -> Intelligent people leave the country -> Things get worse -> More people leave etc.
Chin up, though, maybe we'll get much better after joining the European Union.

I myself am not sure yet what I want to do. My elder brother (24 years old) stayed in Bulgaria and managed to get a well paid job here (in a foreign company, so that his German skills came in handy), so this option is not off the table for me. I just want to know what choices I have and gather enough information to be able to decide which is best. I am also in two minds regarding the question what country I should go to in case I decide to leave.

Torsten wrote:
To put it in a nutshell: The most important English language test is life itself.

This sentence says it all! Smile I now understand the difference between the TOEIC and the ESOL exams thanks to you.
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