Crazy occurence when listening to second language

[Conchita]

[Yankee]

Good morning, Tamara

I think Michael possibly meant to write that he will be advising customers. But, maybe Michael will confirm that for us. ;)

Amy
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[Tamara]

Amy, I just didn't (don't) understand unbiased 'advising' in the business context...

"They focus on 'consultation' rather than 'deliberation' ".
© "Customer Consultation vs. Democratic Deliberation"

http://pixnaps.blogspot.com/2006/03/customer-consultation-vs-democratic.html
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[Yankee]

Hi Tamara

As I see it, a business might deliberate (consider) a set of known alternatives. It discusses the pros and cons of each option before making a decision. Employees within the company can consult each other as to what they see as options as well as the pros and cons.

However, there may be further options that a company hasn't considered at all because they simply aren't aware of them. A specialist can give advice based on their specialist knowledge and this advice may provide additional options or the advice might also be help rule out options which have proved ineffective elsewhere, etc. An outside consultant is more likely to be unbiased in that if an option includes the elimination of a certain department, for example, the members of that department are likely to reject such an option for no other reason than "self-interest".

In a nutshell:
You can only deliberate known options. Deliberations are part of the direct decision-making process.

Consultation provides information that is needed for deliberations.

That's my view.

Amy
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[Tamara]

OK.
Thank you, Amy. Now I've got your point.

Maybe, Michael will also find a minute to add something about consulting-advising-deliberating...
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[TomWelling]

George Bush speaks more fluently than Tony Blair
It's so strange and fantastic :D

[Foah]

Hi Hercules, a very good friend, too!

Thanks for your congratulations and the promise of support. :wink:

I think, you and me and spencer, of course, (although he is currently changing his professional direction) are the ones who had made the biggest professional changings since we met at this site first. Not that all the other members possibly are sleeping :oops: there are students, as much as I know, Pamela for instance is working on her carrier and so on.... In this sense I?m excited who is getting a new job next.

However, good luck to every else who is hunting.

Michael
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[Foah]

Hi Conchita!

You?re a very good friend, too. I mean, one always can count on your good wishes. Thanks for wishing good vibes (I consider vibes to mean good vibrations, doesn?t it?)

Michael
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[Foah]

Hi Tamara, Hi Amy!

Interesting, beside your good intentions you always find a good reason for discuss any point. (delibaration......)

Amy got my point when she referred to the advising a customer and normally I would have used this word. But as the task for me includes the sell a product to the customer, too, of course not too aggressiv but you always must have that in mind, ??m not sure whether I should?ve used advising rather than deliberate and I?m still not sure.

I mean, like Amy wrote: delibaration has to do with the deciding-process and that is where you must intervene when you want to sell your products.

On the other hand I also must provide some good advise for the customer for his decision-process for free to get kept in good mind at him. That is the way I understood Amy?s explanation of consulting.

Now, what word would you recommend for me for the discussion initializing point? Like I mentioned, I?m not really sure.

Michael
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[Hercules]

[Tamara]

(Having consulted with two dictionaries, I'm deliberately choosing Michael-the-adviser :) )
:)
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[Foah]

[Tamara]

Hi!

I'm terribly sorry for making your bright 'picture' like this: :(

:)

[Pamela]

Hi Michael
I didn’t expect that I would stumble onto my nickname in this thread. That was really surprising. :wink: I think you forgot to mention our good and active members Tamara and Tom. :lol: :wink: I am full of praise for the HUGE progress they are making.

I’m not a student except for my part-time study but if you mean my being here as a student I’d rather agree with you.

[Foah]

Hi Tamara!

Well, I read the job-offerings you referred to as an evidence for the serious use of adviser/advisor. I think, now I can accept to become an adviser. 8)

Thanks for clarifying that expression and thanks for your pretty pleasant P.S. :D It sweetened my recent days. :wink:

Michael
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