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Expressions 'only just' and 'only not'



 
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Expressions 'only just' and 'only not' Sun Oct 22, 2006 10:16 am  Expressions 'only just' and 'only not'
 

Hi

1. As I hear and read, only just is an emphasizing 'time-expression' and only just in time is perhaps the most often its use.

Is it also all right to use it in this way: She said faintly, “Only just once”. ?
Or would only once and only just [...one time] sound better to you?

If you get the simple answer ‘Only just.’, what meaning do you suppose?
Related to the current time moment (‘right now’) or to the ‘counter’ (only once)?
Or just can’t suppose without a context?

2. As I understand, only not and not only have quite different meanings, almost opposite Smile
The same difference is in Russian.

Only not in English. - logical Smile, OK
but in
I'm only not divorced because I was never married. (BNC)
it sounds a bit confusing to me.

Could you reword the last sentence replacing only not in it by some equivalent expression?
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Expressions 'only just' and 'only not' Sun Oct 22, 2006 10:47 am  Expressions 'only just' and 'only not'
 

Hi Tamara

Here's my input:

1.
Bill: John managed to swim the Channel.
Bob: Yeah, but only just. (i.e., he almost didn't manage it.)

Bill: John managed to swim the Channel.
Bob: Yeah, but only once. He had to be pulled out of the water halfway across during his other three attempts.

2.
I'm only not divorced because I was never married. =
The only reason I'm not divorced because I was never married.

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Expressions 'only just' and 'only not' Sun Oct 22, 2006 10:52 am  Expressions 'only just' and 'only not'
 

Hi Amy
Thanks for the response. The difference (in 1) is getting clearer Smile

Quote:
The only reason I'm not divorced (IS?) because I was never married.
Can I then reword it 'I'm not divorced just only because I was never get married.'
?
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Expressions 'only just' and 'only not' Sun Oct 22, 2006 11:43 am  Expressions 'only just' and 'only not'
 

Tamara wrote:
Hi Amy
Quote:
The only reason I'm not divorced (IS?) because I was never married.

Hi Tamara
So sorry. Yes, "is" should be there. I guess in my cut-and-paste haste, I ended up leaving it out.

Quote:
Can I then reword it 'I'm not divorced just only because I was never get married.'
?
No. In fact, I'm having trouble thinking of any example where "just only" would work without sounding like a completely unnecessary and unnatural redundancy.

For example, you could say:
I have only one PC.
-or-
I have just one PC.

BUT NOT:
I have just only one PC.

When you combine those two words the other way around (only just), "only" has the sense of "simply" or "merely" and "just" has a sense of "by a narrow margin" (in other words, a sort of closeness to something):

He's only just come. => The word just indicates a "closeness" to now.

He only just managed to swim the Channel. => The word just indicates a closeness to failure (i.e., he didn't manage it easily).

Does that help?

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Expressions 'only just' and 'only not' Sun Oct 22, 2006 12:08 pm  Expressions 'only just' and 'only not'
 

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In fact, I'm having trouble thinking of any example where "just only" would work without sounding like a completely unnecessary and unnatural redundancy.
The same to me... Smile
Quote:
…and it's just only because of the climate..
(bnc)

Some other examples are:
Quote:
You just only a piece of little metal. ( Smile )
Only just really and I never liked just only just.
Shocked Smile

Quote:
"only" has the sense of "simply" or "merely" and "just" has a sense of "by a narrow margin" (in other words, a sort of closeness to something):

Does that help?
Yesss! Smile
Thanks!
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