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#2 (permalink) Sat Nov 27, 2004 16:25 pm The Romans |
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Well, if you say the Romans you refer to them as whole, the Romans means the entire Roman people. Because we don't know who in particular built the roads in Britain we refer to them as the Romans. It's not important who exactly built the roads, what counts is the fact that we associate road building in Britain with the Romans. What springs to mind when you think about the French (the French Nation)? _________________ Test Of English for International Communication TOEIC Preparation & TOEIC Vocabulary |
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#3 (permalink) Wed Jul 16, 2008 12:32 pm Why do we say "the Romans" as opposed to "Romans"? |
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| thank you Torsten in differentiating the word 'the Romans' against the word 'Romans' you're really a big help for me! |
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#5 (permalink) Thu Jul 24, 2008 8:25 am Why do we say "the Romans" as opposed to "Romans"? |
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Dear all Tnaks a lot, it is getting clearer for me now. But... Could you give an example, please, where the word 'Romans' (or British, or French, etc) is used as a sudject (or an object) with no article? |
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#6 (permalink) Thu Jul 24, 2008 9:05 am Why do we say "the Romans" as opposed to "Romans"? |
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#7 (permalink) Thu Jul 24, 2008 9:11 am Why do we say "the Romans" as opposed to "Romans"? |
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Hi,
'British' 'French' 'Spanish' and others are essentially adjectives and can't really stand alone without the article and so we have to say: The French/British and so on because it's understood that we are talking about 'The French people' for example. Other words act as adjective and noun as for example 'Italian' 'Greek' 'American' 'African' 'Asian' - these words can be used without the article: Americans choose a new president every four years but The British change their leader every five years.
Back to your question about Romans, which is slightly different because 'Romans' describes the citizens of Rome when used without the article. When we say 'The Romans' we are usually referring to a period of time during the Roman Empire when they ruled a large proportion of the so-called civilized world.
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#8 (permalink) Thu Jul 24, 2008 11:14 am Why do we say "the Romans" as opposed to "Romans"? |
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Dear Alan
Thanks a lot for such a detailed and clear explanation. I hope I start to understand it better now
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#9 (permalink) Tue Aug 19, 2008 10:04 am Why do we say "the Romans" as opposed to "Romans"? |
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Alan,
Why must the words as British, French be used with the article but the words as Italian, American, Asian can be used without the article? What are the difference between them?
To explain for me, please. |
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#10 (permalink) Tue Aug 19, 2008 10:19 am Why do we say "the Romans" as opposed to "Romans"? |
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Hi,
Have a look at this - I answered with this reply on July 24th
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| 'British' 'French' 'Spanish' and others are essentially adjectives and can't really stand alone without the article and so we have to say: The French/British and so on because it's understood that we are talking about 'The French people' for example. Other words act as adjective and noun as for example 'Italian' 'Greek' 'American' 'African' 'Asian' - these words can be used without the article: Americans choose a new president every for years but The British change their leader every five years. |
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#11 (permalink) Sat Nov 15, 2008 8:03 am Why do we say "the Romans" as opposed to "Romans"? |
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| Alan wrote: |
Hi, but can i say The americans choose .......
Have a look at this - I answered with this reply on July 24th
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| 'British' 'French' 'Spanish' and others are essentially adjectives and can't really stand alone without the article and so we have to say: The French/British and so on because it's understood that we are talking about 'The French people' for example. Other words act as adjective and noun as for example 'Italian' 'Greek' 'American' 'African' 'Asian' - these words can be used without the article: Americans choose a new president every four years but The British change their leader every five years. |
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#12 (permalink) Sat Nov 15, 2008 8:36 am Why do we say "the Romans" as opposed to "Romans"? |
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Hi Joana,
Yes, you can if you want to stress the word 'Americans' in particular.
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#13 (permalink) Sat Nov 15, 2008 8:51 am Why do we say "the Romans" as opposed to "Romans"? |
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hi,thanks for answering my question,but what do you mean by "to stress the word americans "
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Hi Joana,
Yes, you can if you want to stress the word 'Americans' in particular.
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#14 (permalink) Sat Nov 15, 2008 8:57 am Why do we say "the Romans" as opposed to "Romans"? |
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Hi,
'Stress' suggests that you emphasise the word 'Americans' in contrast to other nationalities.
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#15 (permalink) Sat Nov 15, 2008 13:28 pm Why do we say "the Romans" as opposed to "Romans"? |
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| ah,thank you so much.... |
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