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#2 (permalink) Tue Nov 30, 2004 10:49 am In black and white |
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In black and white means that it is something that is actually written on paper - often in a book/dictionary/document. It comes from the fact that the ink is black and the paper is white. _________________ English as a Second Language You can read my ESL story Present Simple |
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#3 (permalink) Fri Sep 23, 2005 7:07 am In black and white |
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| Alan wrote: |
| In black and white means that it is something that is actually written on paper - often in a book/dictionary/document. It comes from the fact that the ink is black and the paper is white. |
( Why don't people say "white and black"? |
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#4 (permalink) Fri Aug 24, 2007 11:00 am In black and white |
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| Alan wrote: |
| In black and white means that it is something that is actually written on paper - often in a book/dictionary/document. It comes from the fact that the ink is black and the paper is white. |
why don't you use the expression "in white and black" ? |
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Biden I'm new here and I like it ;-)
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#5 (permalink) Fri Aug 24, 2007 12:57 pm Expression: In black and white |
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. The best answer for your question is that "black and white" is a fixed expression. . _________________ "Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a man's character, give him power." ~ Abraham Lincoln |
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#6 (permalink) Tue May 20, 2008 7:53 am Expression: In black and white |
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| is it possible to say "They know the black and white" ?could you please give answer for this |
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#7 (permalink) Tue May 20, 2008 12:48 pm Expression: In black and white |
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Hi,
Anything is possible - but what does it mean?
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Alan Co-founder

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#8 (permalink) Tue Sep 15, 2009 3:44 am Expression: In black and white |
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I guess 'now that they have read it in black and white,they believe me'means that the one who is telling send them a letter(white paper)written by her in pen(black) isnt it? |
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#9 (permalink) Thu Dec 09, 2010 13:53 pm Expression: In black and white |
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| I think "black and white" is easier for pronunciation than "white and black" and that's the reason why I chose it for my answere |
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#10 (permalink) Sun Mar 27, 2011 14:42 pm Expression: In black and white |
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| Vngoc wrote: |
| I think "black and white" is easier for pronunciation than "white and black" and that's the reason why I chose it for my answere |
that is interesting. is there any one know something about phonology ? |
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#11 (permalink) Sun Mar 27, 2011 18:45 pm Expression: In black and white |
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Hi,
The best way is to say it out loud and see what happens.
Black and white. White and black.
What do you think?
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Alan Co-founder

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#12 (permalink) Fri May 20, 2011 20:05 pm Expression: In black and white |
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Hi Alan,
I just remember "Black" is located before "White" in alphabet.
but when I heard your, I think that have some difference when raise voice at the end
is it true ? |
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#13 (permalink) Fri May 20, 2011 20:09 pm Expression: In black and white |
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I didn't hear it myself.
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Alan Co-founder

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#14 (permalink) Fri May 20, 2011 21:01 pm Expression: In black and white |
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| Maraschino912 wrote: |
Hi Alan,
I just remember "Black" is located before "White" in alphabet.
but when I heard your, I think that have some difference when raise voice at the end
is it true ? |
Hi Maraschino912,
I'm not quite sure what Alan was expecting you to hear or not hear.
As I mentioned earlier in this thread (posting as Yankee), I think it's best to simply learn that certain phrases have very established (fixed) word order. Sometimes the word order is fixed mainly in certain contexts.
'Black and white' is a very fixed sort of phrase. When we say 'black and white', the word order rarely changes. When we say something such as 'I know it's true because I saw it in black and white', the words 'black and white' refer to the fact that you read something in print (i.e. the information was printed in something such as a newspaper, magazine or a book. The print itself is black and the pages are white).
In addition, if you say that a person 'views everything as a black and white white situation', you would be saying that that person tends to see everything in a 'right or wrong', 'yes or no' sort of way. Basically, such a person is never able to see any middle ground.
Another example of a fixed word order with colors is 'red, white and blue'. That is the word order that Americans always use when we refer to the colors of the American flag, for example. In a different context, however, the word order for these three colors might possibly change. __________________________________________________ "In the early days I had a very black-and-white view of everything." ~ Cat Stevens |
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#15 (permalink) Wed Jun 08, 2011 12:37 pm Expression: In black and white |
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'Now that they have read it in black and white', I know the meaning of words: Now that, but what do they mean in this context? Thank you. |
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