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#2 (permalink) Sun Oct 29, 2006 16:47 pm Substituting 'everybody' ( they or he/she?) |
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Hi Butterfly
Your second sentence would be more typical even though your first sentence is technically better grammatically. Saying "he/she" is often done only in order to be "politically" correct (i.e. to show no gender bias), but it tends to be a bit awkward.
You can avoid the whole problem by rewording the sentence: Anyone who doesn't want to make a bad impression must arrive on time.
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#3 (permalink) Sun Oct 29, 2006 19:39 pm Substituting 'everybody' ( they or he/she?) |
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Amy, what will happen with your best quality sentence :) if I reword it in:
Anyone who wants not to make a bad impression must arrive on time.
Does it become 'just informal' or unacceptable (unnatural or wrong)? _________________ It’s impossible to learn swimming without entering the water… |
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#4 (permalink) Sun Oct 29, 2006 20:00 pm Substituting 'everybody' ( they or he/she?) |
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. Sounds a bit awkward, Tamara, but that structure is used occasionally. What about this:
Anyone not wanting to make a bad impression must arrive on time.
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#5 (permalink) Sun Oct 29, 2006 20:04 pm Substituting 'everybody' ( they or he/she?) |
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Thank you, Amy. I see the difference...
But could you say why 'anyone' works better here than 'everyone'? _________________ It’s impossible to learn swimming without entering the water… |
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#6 (permalink) Sun Oct 29, 2006 21:00 pm Substituting 'everybody' ( they or he/she?) |
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Hi Tamara
Well, I'd say it simply has to do with the the fact that the word any likes to be used with negatives. 8)
In the first sentence, the negative aspect is in the if clause (i.e., the word everybody is used in an affirmative clause). In the reworded sentence, the negative aspect is connected to who and the word who refers directly to anybody.
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#7 (permalink) Mon Oct 30, 2006 8:20 am Substituting 'everybody' (they or he/she?) |
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Good (Monday :)) morning, Amy,
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| the word any likes to be used with negatives |
Yeah, indeed, it likes it…
In contrast to: It will make sure that everyone not only tells our customers what we do for them but also why we do it.
where everyone is obviously OK.
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#8 (permalink) Mon Oct 30, 2006 8:37 am They/he/she |
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Hi,
To get back to the starting point of this discussion I'd like to register my support for the 'they' impersonal pronoun. The 'he/she' formulation really gets my goat and I've been advocating the use of they/their/theirs/them for yonks. I think it's a failing in English that there is no impersonal form.
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