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Those unruly prepositions… Fri Nov 10, 2006 10:28 am  Those unruly prepositions…
 

Hi

In my first language (Russian) there are 7 cases playing crucial part in gluing words. (Together with nouns' and adjectives' case endings).
Even though prepositions are also in use.

In English prepositions take on the most of the burden. As all we know Smile

To me, most of the (English prepositions') uses - thank goodness! - are quite natural and cause no serious problems for me.
But, in contrast, there are some that are very unnatural…

I can list them, giving my natural (wrong) tends in brackets:

happen to me (happen with me would sound 'much more natural' to me)
think of (think about. Happily, it's not 'wrong' use Smile. Just not think 'of'...)
hear of smth (hear about OR just hear smth.)
have been to [Paris] (have been in)
angry with smb (angry on)
agree to (agree with or agree on )
ask for (ask of)
laugh at (laugh… hmm… over/about/?)
leave for (leave to)
listen to (listen of)
look at (look on)
fond of (just fond)
be proud of (be proud by)
be rich in (be rich by)
take care of (take care about)
object to (object against)
start for (start to or start in)
put an end to (put an end for)
wait for (wait of)
be pleased with (be pleased by)
be sure of (be sure in)


I learnt them and use correctly in writing – mostly Smile – but each time when I need to speak quickly and without thinking… yes, I 'speak' just in my native language…

I’d be interested in Smile your opinion on the above (which ‘version’ sounds more natural to you Smile).
Just to understand, how unique I am in my preposition-problems Smile Laughing
Also would be glad if you add some your troubles with English prepositions (from the point of your language )Smile
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Close to Sat Nov 11, 2006 19:04 pm  Close to
 

Hi Tamara,

I'm from Brazil and my first language is portuguese. I'm a beginner in English, but I've tried my luck in English too.

I've problems with this sentence...CLOSE TO....It's a simple sentence but in Brazil, the correct way to use this sentence is "Close from". (totally wrong in English)

Every time that I need to use this simple sentence, I made a mistake.

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Those unruly prepositions… Sat Nov 11, 2006 20:35 pm  Those unruly prepositions…
 

Hi Daniel!

Thank you for your response. So, I’m not that special (unique) as I thought of myself. Smile

'Close from' is interesting. Different representation in mind, I mean. Another basic (philosophical? Smile ) point to look at the same thing

Just out of curiosity – ‘close from’, OK Smile, but what preposition do you naturally use with ‘far’?
Far from Heavens? Far to Heavens?
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Far... Sat Nov 11, 2006 20:39 pm  Far...
 

Tamara,

In portuguese if I need to use "Far", I use this way:

"Far from something"

Close from and Far from....nice isn't ????

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Those unruly prepositions… Mon Nov 13, 2006 13:53 pm  Those unruly prepositions…
 

Hi Tamara
Just in addition to what you have said
At first ‘have been to” always sounded strange, unusual to me
My teachers at school always tried to correct me when I used to say “in” but now I am well of aware of the correct usage of such type of constructions.
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Those unruly prepositions… Mon Nov 13, 2006 22:57 pm  Those unruly prepositions…
 

Hi Pamela
I wish that one day you could say: "I've been to London. And Paris. And Rome. And Damascus. And Madrid. And Salzburg. And... ... ... "
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Those unruly prepositions… Mon Nov 13, 2006 23:10 pm  Those unruly prepositions…
 

Many thanks for your warm wishes, Tamara! Wink At the moment I'm downloading photos of Munich taken by my sister. They are fantastic! Very Happy
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Those unruly prepositions… Tue Nov 14, 2006 0:36 am  Those unruly prepositions…
 

Hi Tamara,
You're right, that's what English should look like!
Almost everything you mentioned are the same in Hungarian,and our mother languages aren't that similar, are they? Been to, it just doesn't make sence!
By the way, I use the "agree with" day by day. Not every day, but sometimes. I think I used it once. Anyway, are you sure it's not proper?
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Those unruly prepositions… Tue Nov 14, 2006 1:25 am  Those unruly prepositions…
 

Hi Tamara

I think you ought to chop your list up into smaller chunks, start a new thread with each chunk, and give us sentences in which you think you tend to use the verbs and prepositions incorrectly. Some of your list doesn't look wrong to me, but it would be easier to comment on smaller pieces (with accompanying examples).

Amy

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Those unruly prepositions… Tue Nov 14, 2006 8:53 am  Those unruly prepositions…
 

Hi Amy,
Thanks for the question, I'm alright, everything looks pretty normal around my neck of my wood Smile I'm still the best cook in Europe, so nothing has changed.Smile
Amy, how's it going with you? The only thing I heard about you is your gift from the creator. Whatever I do with my headmuscles my ears stay put, unless I'm nodding, or shaking my whole head but I doubt it would count.
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Prepositions Tue Nov 14, 2006 16:48 pm  Prepositions
 

Hello everyone,

I agree with you: prepostions can be quite tricky. How did you learn to use them correctly? Did you swot wordlists with common prepositional expressions?

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Those unruly prepositions… Tue Nov 14, 2006 19:08 pm  Those unruly prepositions…
 

Hi spencer Smile

Happy to see you here and glad to hear of your preposition problem. Smile Even so tiny Smile

spencer wrote:
You're right, that's what English should look like!
Smile Smile

Quote:
agree with
Sorry for the vagueness.
'agree to' and 'agree with' differ in English.
I agree with you. Smile
He agreed to their marriage. (I'd say agreed with or agreed on...)

Yankee wrote:
but it would be easier to comment on smaller pieces (with accompanying examples)
Hi Amy

If I had a hope that comments and explanations could help, I’d surely put a number of threads in 'Grammar and vocabulary’' section.

I make the listed mistakes regularly, despite I (generally) know the correct use.
Hmm. Obviously, all I actually need to cope the preposition-problem is the Big English-speaking 'Mum' (= an endlessly patient person, with that incontestable parent’s authority from childhood Smile) who would correct me each time when I do it… And lots of time. Sad

What do I do?
In writing – re-read and correct all I can find (my reading skills are better than others Smile).
In speaking-without-thinking… see the above… Sad
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Those unruly prepositions… Sat Nov 18, 2006 0:00 am  Those unruly prepositions…
 

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