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Hi Pamela,
It certainly is a problem here and the present government hasn't had much success. Their latest device is to issue what they call an ASBO (an anti-social behaviour order), which is a kind of contract agreeing to 'good behaviour' between the individual and the parent (in the case of a young person) or the local police or anyone who acts as a sort of superintendent of the individual. If the anti-social behaviour continues, there is a chance that the individual will go to court. The trouble is that the ASBO ironically has became a sort of 'badge of hounour' among many young people.
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| Sun Nov 26, 2006 15:23 pm Juvenile delinquency |
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It is a psychological issue. The problem is much more than simply juvenile delinquency.
Recently children were taught, that it was not fair to kill people. Now they see that it is OK to put on stolen SEAL uniform, penetrate into the casino vault and annihilate the inhabitants while landing in Spider-man fashion.
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| Mon Nov 27, 2006 16:27 pm Juvenile delinquency |
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Over the past 20 years or so, the answer to juvenile delinquency and all types of crime in the US has been to put more people in prison, mainly to protect the populace from them. (For about 20 or 30 years there was a tendency toward imprisoning fewer and fewer criminals, but this has changed.) There are some attempts to reform them while they're in prison, but prison itself is very good at training criminals to improve their skills. One thing that's very strange is that for decades certain people were complaining about all the damage, torture and even murder wrought by juvenile delinquents, and they were insisting the government and the police do something about them. Then the government started putting more people into prison, the crime rate started to drop, but now many of the same people who were complaining about the crime now complain that the government is putting delinquents in prison "even though crime is dropping". They say this as if the two phenomena were not connected!
One of the biggest problems when it comes to juvenile delinquency is that people who are never victims of it, such as the government elites, tend to view even the most hardened delinquents as sad, hurt bunnies, and they don't pay much attention to the real suffering of their victims. These elites tend to favor policies that leave the delinquents on the street to victimize more people, while "getting help" for such criminals. It would make more sense to "get help" for them while they are locked away from society, but this is not how some elites think. |
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| Wed Nov 29, 2006 16:43 pm Juvenile delinquency |
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On the other hand, there are those who cannot be rehabilitated: sociopaths and psychopaths, namely. We haven't figured out how to fix the brain.
The most severe mental deficiency is probably schizophrenia (in its various guises), but schizophrenics are generally not dangerous to others.
The bad ones are those who suffer from Antisocial Personality Disorder. These are more commonly called Sociopaths. These are the people who view other people as toys for them to play with, who lack empathy completely. Sociopathy and psychopathy (not sure if there's a difference really, or if they're simply two terms for the same thing) cannot simply be cured.
I suppose there are drugs to treat it by now, but how do you make someone care for others? IS there a drug for that?
This is why I challenge the statement that prisons necessarily/invariably rehabilitate people. There needs to be a sort of asterisk for that: prisons rehabilitate SOME people, but some cannot be helped/improved.
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| Thu Nov 30, 2006 19:36 pm Juvenile delinquency |
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Hi prezbucky,
You wrote:
| Quote: | | This is why I challenge the statement that prisons necessarily/invariably rehabilitate people. There needs to be a sort of asterisk for that: prisons rehabilitate SOME people, but some cannot be helped/improved. |
I think these people should be treated in mental hospitals, not in prisons.
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| Thu Nov 30, 2006 19:59 pm Juvenile delinquency |
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Probably right... where the staff at least understand their moods/coldness.
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| Sat Dec 02, 2006 22:02 pm What do you know about juvenile delinquency? |
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| Sat Dec 09, 2006 8:14 am Juvenile delinquency |
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| prezbucky wrote: | | The bad ones are those who suffer from Antisocial Personality Disorder. These are more commonly called Sociopaths. These are the people who view other people as toys for them to play with, who lack empathy completely. Sociopathy and psychopathy (not sure if there's a difference really, or if they're simply two terms for the same thing) cannot simply be cured. |
My understanding is that "sociopath" is a term that replaced "psychopath" in the swingin' '60s, when psychologists were running around saying, "But what is normal?" and decided that everything is relative. This led them to conclude that crime is defined only by the norms of a given society, and that therefore a "sociopath" merely violates the behavioral expectations of the society he lives in. (It's strange, but no psychologist has ever been able to tell me which society considers it normal to rape an 8-year-old girl, cut off her arms and leave her in the desert. They have also not told me what nation considers it okay to lobotomize and rape young teenage boys, eat most of their flesh, but keep their feet in the fridge for occasional display in women's high heels on top of the TV set.)
| prezbucky wrote: | | I suppose there are drugs to treat it by now, but how do you make someone care for others? IS there a drug for that? |
And just wait until the guy quits taking his medication!
| prezbucky wrote: | | This is why I challenge the statement that prisons necessarily/invariably rehabilitate people. There needs to be a sort of asterisk for that: prisons rehabilitate SOME people, but some cannot be helped/improved. |
I agree. |
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| Sat Dec 09, 2006 8:18 am Juvenile delinquency |
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| Englishuser wrote: | | Quote: | | This is why I challenge the statement that prisons necessarily/invariably rehabilitate people. There needs to be a sort of asterisk for that: prisons rehabilitate SOME people, but some cannot be helped/improved. |
I think these people should be treated in mental hospitals, not in prisons. |
I can't agree with you. I think the guys who compulsively bite off big pieces of people's faces, or who get excited by some sheer pleasure of killing at every opportunity, need to be in prison, so that other mental patients will be protected. There are psychiatrists in prison to work on them. Also, prisons are less likely to let people out if they're still crazy. |
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| Sat Dec 09, 2006 21:37 pm What do you know about juvenile delinquency? |
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Hi Jamie (K),
Why do you think that some people "compulsively bite off big pieces of people's faces" or kill other people? What is the reason for such behaviour?
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| Sun Dec 10, 2006 0:43 am Juvenile delinquency |
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| Jamie (K) wrote: | | Englishuser wrote: | | Quote: | | This is why I challenge the statement that prisons necessarily/invariably rehabilitate people. There needs to be a sort of asterisk for that: prisons rehabilitate SOME people, but some cannot be helped/improved. |
I think these people should be treated in mental hospitals, not in prisons. |
I can't agree with you. I think the guys who compulsively bite off big pieces of people's faces, or who get excited by some sheer pleasure of killing at every opportunity, need to be in prison, so that other mental patients will be protected. There are psychiatrists in prison to work on them. Also, prisons are less likely to let people out if they're still crazy. |
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I didn't say that they shouldn't be kept in prison.... only that they cannot be rehabilitated (IE, fixed). Neither you nor I want to meet Hannibal Lecter on a sidewalk somewhere. hehe
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| Sun Dec 10, 2006 1:20 am Juvenile delinquency |
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| prezbucky wrote: | | I didn't say that they shouldn't be kept in prison.... only that they cannot be rehabilitated (IE, fixed). Neither you nor I want to meet Hannibal Lecter on a sidewalk somewhere. hehe |
You didn't say the people shouldn't be kept in prison; Englishuser did. I was disagreeing with her. I think you and I agree on the basics of this. |
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| Tue Dec 12, 2006 16:50 pm What do you know about juvenile delinquency? |
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Aye!
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