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Non-updateable, not updatable, etc Mon Dec 11, 2006 13:38 pm  Non-updateable, not updatable, etc
 

Hi

I suppose this might be not the very best English, but it’s still English. Smile

In many (technical) contexts there is a need to use something like
'non-updateable' as an adjective. Or as a value of an option.

And in technical texts it’s not a great surprise to meet phrases like:
no updatable installation of package

1. Which version do you prefer (Smile) :
updatable or updateable ?

2. –"- :

not updat(e)able
non-updat(e)able
no updat(e)able
(by the way, this is a value of an option in some software applications. Including Microsoft products Smile, if I’m not mistaken. )
something else
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Non-updateable, not updatable, etc Mon Dec 11, 2006 14:43 pm  Non-updateable, not updatable, etc
 

I prefer updateable, because the E after the T indicates that the first A should be pronounced as [ei]. In some places the word data is pronounced [d?ta], so for them the spelling updatable might be confusing.

I think which form of that term you use depends on the context and its part of speech in the sentence. In the predicate, it's smoother to say not updateable, as in "The program is not updateable." However, when you need an adjective before a noun, I have no problem with non-updateable in a technical context.
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Non-updateable, not updatable, etc Mon Dec 11, 2006 16:56 pm  Non-updateable, not updatable, etc
 

Hi Tamara

I personally find leaving the 'e' in the word to be overkill -- but I also understand Jamie's point. Very Happy

Both 'datable' and 'dateable' are accepted as correct spellings, so logically both 'updatable' and 'updateable' should also be correct -- even though neither word is findable using One Look. Cool Dictionary.com seems to prefer 'updatable'.

I agree with Jamie regarding not updatable and non-updatable.

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Non-updateable, not updatable, etc Tue Dec 12, 2006 10:05 am  Non-updateable, not updatable, etc
 

Hi
Quote:
In the predicate, it's smoother to say not updateable
when you need an adjective before a noun, I have no problem with non-updateable in a technical context.
Thank you, Jamie.
And Amy - for your validaton.

Yankee wrote:
I personally find leaving the 'e' in the word to be overkill -- but I also understand Jamie's point.
Hmm... Smile

Quote:
Dictionary.com seems to prefer 'updatable'.
It might be the third – deciding Smile – vote, but…
for example Smile, MS Word refuses 'updatable' at all. Resolutely.

So… the question about leaving 'e' still remain open… For me.
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Non-updateable, not updatable, etc Tue Dec 12, 2006 11:43 am  Non-updateable, not updatable, etc
 

Hi Tamara

If you don't mind having Bill Gates dictating what's right and wrong in English, then you should test whether MS Word prefers datable or dateable -- and then just add up- to Bill's preference. Wink Mr. Green
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Non-updateable, not updatable, etc Tue Dec 12, 2006 11:46 am  Non-updateable, not updatable, etc
 

Yankee wrote:
If you don't mind having Bill Gates dictating what's right and wrong in English, then you should test whether MS Word prefers datable or dateable -- and then just add up- to Bill's preference. Wink Mr. Green
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Bill doesn't make those decisions. Microsoft outsources to a company that specializes in dictionaries. I have dealt with them directly before.
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Non-updateable, not updatable, etc Tue Dec 12, 2006 11:46 am  Non-updateable, not updatable, etc
 

Hi Tamara,

Just to comment: MS Word won't accept my surname 'Townend' and wants to put an 's' in. Happy Christmas Mr Gate.

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Non-updateable, not updatable, etc Tue Dec 12, 2006 11:51 am  Non-updateable, not updatable, etc
 

Alan wrote:
Just to comment: MS Word won't accept my surname 'Townend' and wants to put an 's' in. Happy Christmas Mr Gate.

You're supposed to shut off auto-correct.
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Non-updateable, not updatable, etc Tue Dec 12, 2006 12:38 pm  Non-updateable, not updatable, etc
 

Jamie (K) wrote:
Bill doesn't make those decisions. Microsoft outsources to a company that specializes in dictionaries.
That's clear, Jamie, but I think Tamara will get my little joke. Wink
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Non-updateable, not updatable, etc Tue Dec 12, 2006 22:14 pm  Non-updateable, not updatable, etc
 

OK, lady and gentlemen. Smile

So… My personal current decision (about that ill-fated 'e') is the following:

- to stop my home version of M$ Word to teach me English Cool
- when using public PCs (where the software automatically insert 'e' in the word as soon as you get a bit inattentive Smile – just to submit it, as a fact. Turning a blind eye.
- to put on you a share of responsibility for my - still poor! - English Smile, as now I’m going to write a letter to Mr Gate about the crying facts (starting the long list of complaints from the one Alan mentioned above).

Thanks for your attention. Smile
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