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Help + bare infinitive vs. help + to-infinitive Thu Dec 14, 2006 9:51 am  Help + bare infinitive vs. help + to-infinitive
 

Hi

Another try (I know, I already asked the similar question before)...

Could you word the general difference in use help + bare infinitive and help + to-infinitive?

'Can you help me put together a story about adoption?'
'One way to help put your point across is… '
'Behavioural therapy can help to put sleep problems to rest ...'

Sometimes to does seem just optional, sometimes... it definitely doesn't. Smile
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Help + bare infinitive vs. help + to-infinitive Thu Dec 14, 2006 10:32 am  Help + bare infinitive vs. help + to-infinitive
 

Hi Tamara
That is my grain of salt: Smile
Yes, the verb help can be followed by to-infinitive or bare infinitive, there is no difference in meaning. But using help with bare infinitive sounds more informal.
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Help + bare infinitive vs. help + to-infinitive Thu Dec 14, 2006 15:14 pm  Help + bare infinitive vs. help + to-infinitive
 

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To my American ear, using 'help' with a 'to-infinitive' simply sounds British rather than more formal. Cool
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Help + bare infinitive vs. help + to-infinitive Thu Dec 14, 2006 16:24 pm  Help + bare infinitive vs. help + to-infinitive
 

Hi Tamara,

Perhaps 'to' is more common with a preceding object.

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Help + bare infinitive vs. help + to-infinitive Fri Dec 15, 2006 9:46 am  Help + bare infinitive vs. help + to-infinitive
 

Hi

Thanks for your responses.
Quote:
preceding object
Alan, just to make it more specific for myself:
I suppose that you mean (in particular?) cases like help smb. to …

Like this:
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If my understanding isn’t too simplified (or just wrong) – thanks, then.
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Help + bare infinitive vs. help + to-infinitive Fri Dec 15, 2006 9:51 am  Help + bare infinitive vs. help + to-infinitive
 

Anyway, I think that with a preceding object both variants are acceptable
Ex. Can somebody help me (to) move this table?
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Help + bare infinitive vs. help + to-infinitive Fri Dec 15, 2006 9:57 am  Help + bare infinitive vs. help + to-infinitive
 

Hi Pamela

I'd definitely expect "Can somebody help me move this table?" from an American mouth. Very Happy
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Help + bare infinitive vs. help + to-infinitive Fri Dec 15, 2006 10:04 am  Help + bare infinitive vs. help + to-infinitive
 

Hi,

My English mouth would not utter any negative response to that.

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Help + bare infinitive vs. help + to-infinitive Fri Dec 15, 2006 12:11 pm  Help + bare infinitive vs. help + to-infinitive
 

Hi Alan and Amy
I’ve never met the bare-infinitive used after the verbs of sense perception given in present tense. Vice versa, all the examples in my books and even in the Internet are given with these verbs in past tense

Ex. In a few minutes they heard him ascend the ladder to his own room

Can I say:

Ex. I hear my mother say...(personally, I don't like this one)

Or –ing form is more preferable
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Help + bare infinitive vs. help + to-infinitive Fri Dec 15, 2006 13:55 pm  Help + bare infinitive vs. help + to-infinitive
 

Hi Pamela

There's nothing wrong with "I hear my mother say...", but with the bare infinitive in the simple present tense it wouldn't be used to talk about a single instance:
"I often hear my mother say a little prayer just before she gets in an elevator." Laughing

The difference between the infinitive and the -ing form is pretty much the usual difference: looking at something as a complete act vs an activity. So, without any other context, I would interpret "I hear my mother saying a prayer" as something happening now (i.e. a single instance, during the activity).

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Help + bare infinitive vs. help + to-infinitive Fri Dec 15, 2006 22:04 pm  Help + bare infinitive vs. help + to-infinitive
 

Hi Amy
Thanks for your brilliant explanation! I became confused when I found no present form of the verbs to feel, to hear…in the examples, though I was cognizant of the difference between the Infinitive and -ing form, nevertheless I called into question this usage of the bare infinitive Embarassed

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"I often hear my mother say a little prayer just before she gets in an elevator." Laughing

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