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British English being influenced! - The use of 'Like'



 
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British English being influenced! - The use of 'Like' Mon Dec 18, 2006 11:17 am  British English being influenced! - The use of 'Like'
 

Hi

Please see below: I would request you to help me understand the red parts. What is common in British English now which was not common a few decades ago? What was being used instead?

Michael Swan wrote:
British English is currently being strongly influenced by American English. Some usages which were unusual in standard British English a few decades ago are now common--for example the use of like as a conjunction (e.g. Like I do) or the use of Do you have?

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British English being influenced! - The use of 'Like' Mon Dec 18, 2006 13:31 pm  British English being influenced! - The use of 'Like'
 

Hi Tom
Let me have a whack at it Cool

Quote:
Like I do


like here is a conjuction as in:

Ex.It happened like you might expect it would.

Maybe, earlier like was only a verb Cool ( like can perform the functions of the verb, adjective, adverb...)
Quote:
Do you have?

Maybe, initially it was correct to say:
Have you...?

I've answered at hazard( I haven't Michael Swan's book at hand Cool )
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British English being influenced! - The use of 'Like' Mon Dec 18, 2006 15:24 pm  British English being influenced! - The use of 'Like'
 

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NOW: Like I do FORMERLY: As I do

NOW: Do you have? FORMERLY: Have you? (As Pamela explains)
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British English being influenced! - The use of 'Like' Tue Dec 19, 2006 13:03 pm  British English being influenced! - The use of 'Like'
 

Michael Swan really does not hightlight the main use of like in this context. More common especially colliquially is "Like you do". To clarify the context here is an example of possible useage.

"He asked his mate; `hows ya MRS doin?,
like ya do!"

*Ya stands for you. MRS can be used sarcastically to refer to a girlfriend who you have been with for a long time or you act like husband and wife. It is not offensive to use, and is British English is commonplace in parts of London and the North.

The use here of "like ya do" is suggesting that the term MRS is either inappropriate or so commonplace as to be almost normal.

"Like I do" sounds quite forced to me or pretentious.

e.g. You want to speak German like I do, without an accent and very high German: ; )

It may still be used, but the speaker deserves a big wet fish slap round the face.

"Like" has infected English in many more commonplace ways but that is a discussion for a different thread.
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British English being influenced! - The use of 'Like' Tue Dec 19, 2006 14:14 pm  British English being influenced! - The use of 'Like'
 

stew.t. wrote:
Michael Swan really does not hightlight the main use of like in this context. More common especially colliquially is "Like you do". To clarify the context here is an example of possible useage.

"He asked his mate; `hows ya MRS doin?,
like ya do!"
...

"Like I do" sounds quite forced to me or pretentious.

e.g. You want to speak German like I do, without an accent and very high German: ; )

It may still be used, but the speaker deserves a big wet fish slap round the face.
Hi Stew

"Like ya do" is another expression I'd never heard before. I do agree that your particular sample sentence with "like I do" sounds pretentious. I disagree, however, that using "like I do" is what is responsible for making it sound "forced and pretentious". Using "like I do" doesn't automatically sound forced and pretentious -- it depends on the context.

I think you'll agree that the following, for example, isn't pretentious in the least:
"He doesn't speak German like I do. I'd be happy as a clam if my German was even half as good as his." Smile

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British English being influenced! - The use of 'Like' Tue Dec 19, 2006 14:21 pm  British English being influenced! - The use of 'Like'
 

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"Like I do" sounds quite forced to me or pretentious.

1-He does not make blunders like I do--I don't know why I keep forgetting things!

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British English being influenced! - The use of 'Like' Tue Dec 19, 2006 16:36 pm  British English being influenced! - The use of 'Like'
 

Back in the 1990s, "like" began replacing sounds like um, ahhh, uhhh, erm, etc. -- pause noises.

The average junior high student (girls are especially known for this -- don't throw anything at me, please, ladies) might be heard using "like" in the following context:

"Like, oh my God, like, my dad totally, like, won't let me drive his Porsche and, like, it sucks so bad."
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