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| Jamie wrote: |
This isn't really passive, though. The gerund is a noun in it, so there's really no passive, as far as I know. Look at this:
"This car needs a good washing!"
"They need a tough scolding."
So you're dealing with a noun there, rather than a real participle. |
Agreed, the gerund is a noun. However, I still feel that a construction like "the floor needs mopping" has a passive meaning, since what is really meant is "the floor needs to be mopped", not "the floor needs to mop".
Your last two examples have a different construction, where, perhaps due to the inclusion of the indefinite article, the passive idea is more remote (but still lurking there somewhere, in my opinion :) ). |
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| #18 (permalink) Wed Jan 03, 2007 19:14 pm What mistakes do people in your country think are correct? |
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Estoy bien ahorrita... mi equipo ganaron el lunes pasado:
Los Badgers de Wisconsin defetaron (hehe... cognado!) los Razorbacks de Arkansas.
hehe
Wisconsin 17
Arkansas 14
Ol'e! (there, I put the accent before the "e"... see if it works)
crud, it didn't work! Que lastima!
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| #19 (permalink) Wed Jan 03, 2007 19:20 pm What mistakes do people in your country think are correct? |
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Just click on "Capital One Bowl 2007 Highlights" -- the Play icon.
http://www.uwbadgers.com/audio_video/
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| #20 (permalink) Wed Jan 03, 2007 19:42 pm What mistakes do people in your country think are correct? |
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My PC is back to its antics again, so I'm not able to open the video file.
Anyway, congrats to you and your team! |
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| #21 (permalink) Wed Jan 03, 2007 21:36 pm What mistakes do people in your country think are correct? |
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thanks!
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| #22 (permalink) Fri Jan 05, 2007 1:49 am What mistakes do people in your country think are correct? |
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| jamie wrote: |
Do the same people also say, "We saw him last last week," to mean they saw someone the week before last?
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Yes jamie, the same people use that phrase. Actually i also used that phrase until i reach college when my teacher brought that up in our discussion
I am curious.. have you been here in the Philippines? Coz you know a lot of our dialects. :-D
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| #23 (permalink) Fri Jan 05, 2007 2:08 am What mistakes do people in your country think are correct? |
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| I am curious.. have you been here in the Philippines? Coz you know a lot of our dialects. :-D |
No, I've never been to the Philippines, but there are a lot of Filipinos here, so I've talked to them and eaten their food, including that delicious, atomic purple dessert that looks like cake but is made from yams! Many Americans think this all-natural dessert must have some kind of nuclear purple food coloring, and they won't try it.
One of the reasons I know about all those languages is that in linguistics school we had to analyze their processes of changing words to get various meanings. Most of the exercises involving infixes are from Philippine languages.
Here is a typical conversation between me and a Filipino student on the first day of a class:
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Me: What's your native language?
Filipina: A language of the Philippines.
Me: Well, obviously, but which one?
Filipina: Tagalog.
Me: Is that your native language?
Filipina: Yes, that's the official language of the Philippines.
Me: What language did you learn from your mother at home?
Filipina: It's a different language.
Me: Visayan? Ilocano? What?
Filipina: Visayan.
Me: Then why did you tell me your native language was Tagalog?
Filipina: I didn't think you'd know.
Me: Why didn't you tell me anyway? |
Here's a conversation I once got into with a newly immigrated Filipino when I worked in a factory:
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Me: You don't have the scissors, do you?
Filipino: Yes!
Me: Will you give them to me, please?
Filipino: I don't have them.
Me: You don't have them?
Filipino: Yes!
Me: Well, I need them. Please give them to me.
Filipino: I don't have them.
Me: DO YOU HAVE THE SCISSORS?
Filipino: No.
Me: So, you don't have them.
Filipino: Yes! |
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| #24 (permalink) Fri Jan 05, 2007 14:59 pm What mistakes do people in your country think are correct? |
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That's cool, Jamie
What exactly does an atomic purple dessert taste like?
hehe
...love the adjectives.
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| #25 (permalink) Fri Jan 05, 2007 15:13 pm What mistakes do people in your country think are correct? |
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| prezbucky wrote: |
What exactly does an atomic purple dessert taste like?
hehe
...love the adjectives. |
It's made of purple yams, sugar and milk, and it has a generic, unidentifiable cake flavor. |
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| #26 (permalink) Fri Jan 05, 2007 15:23 pm What mistakes do people in your country think are correct? |
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| #27 (permalink) Fri Jan 05, 2007 16:02 pm What mistakes do people in your country think are correct? |
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Hi prezbucky,
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jamie
lew-uh-vull
yep. |
how do you pronounce that?...loo-uh-vool?
and thou you asked Conchita,i can't help it, just learned some spanish words from a venezuelan friend.
bien ;) |
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| #28 (permalink) Fri Jan 05, 2007 16:35 pm What mistakes do people in your country think are correct? |
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molto grazie
...Italian for "muchas gracias"
and
I say it "LOO-ee-vil"
the last syllable rhymes with "mill"
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Hi prezbucky,
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jamie
lew-uh-vull
yep. |
how do you pronounce that?...loo-uh-vool?
and thou you asked Conchita,i can't help it, just learned some spanish words from a venezuelan friend.
bien ;) |
Tom, alias prezbucky, alias hehe (you can find the story of his aliases in some of his first posts) was answering the following (rhetorical) question of Jamie's:
"And how about the way the people in Louisville, Kentucky, pronounce the name of their own city!". |
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| #30 (permalink) Fri Jan 05, 2007 17:44 pm What mistakes do people in your country think are correct? |
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...it's the Southern way of saying it.
to nearly everyone else, it's "LOO-ee-vil"
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