The correct use of "Ones"

[Tom]

[Pamela]

Hi Tom,
As far as I know, after these and those ones is not used

[Jamie (K)]

"Those" and "these" are not only demonstrative pronouns to place before a noun, but are also full pronouns in their own right that can exist independently and replace a noun or noun phrase. In your sentences, "those" and "these" can replace "cars" and "books" without help from another pronoun, so "one" is not needed. However, there are native speakers who use nonstandard English and say sentences just like the ones you wrote. It's stigmatized, but they do it.

[Tom]

Many thanks, Jamie (K)

Now I understand it almost fully--but there is, as always, the last question.

[Jamie (K)]

[Conchita]

[Yankee]

Hi all

I don't know that saying these ones and those ones is technically "wrong", but to me it would not be typical usage and they sound odd and redundant in Tom's sentences.

Whether or not the words "one" and "ones" are used in general was not the question here, but rather whether two very specific collocations are acceptable. My specific advice is that you should not use these ones and those ones. I feel that is simply good advice.

Amy

[Prezbucky]

I hear it all the time, though...

In a candy shop, for example:

"No, no, no, not those ones... these ones!"
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[Yankee]

[Conchita]

[Prezbucky]

Amy,

To be honest, I was thinking of an adult man giving orders (irritatedly more than angrily) to the shopworker... as if the worker had picked up pieces of candy other than those for which the man had asked.

My gut instinct is that omitting "ones" from those sentences is better than leaving "ones" attached.

I don't know if it's necessarily incorrect, however, to keep "ones" attached. It's a tough call.

One could say that adding "ones" makes the sentences a bit redundant, as "these" and "those" suffice to show the object of the statement.

Sister: "I like these."

Brother: "I hate those. I like these."

Yeah, in that case, "ones" is redundant. (had to talk it out to form a more concrete stance. hehe)

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Conchita

I hear that!
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[Conchita]

[Yankee]

Hi Tom

My intention was to give you good advice and my advice to you remains unchanged. Here are a few links to further opinions and information on the topic of these ones and those ones:
http://wsu.edu/~brians/errors/these_ones.html
http://grammar.ccc.commnet.edu/grammar/one.htm
http://www.eslgold.com/grammar/this_that.html
http://owl.english.purdue.edu/purdueowlnews/20061024/

Amy

[Tom]

[Prezbucky]