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use of the Present Simple in the phrase 'I forget the name now'



 
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use of the Present Simple in the phrase 'I forget the name now' #1 (permalink) Tue Jan 16, 2007 20:15 pm   use of the Present Simple in the phrase 'I forget the name now'
 

Hi

Please, validate the use of the Present Simple in the phrase 'I forget the name now, but...'.

I've heard it many times - with the Present Simple - and can find examples online. In particular, in the BNC.

Without 'now' I suppose it just means 'I always/regularly forget the name' (for some reason, whatever they are).
This is exactly how I would express that in my first language - with the "Present Simple".

But with 'now' it sometimes sounds to me a bit... unnatural.

Just for example:

KDM 14979 Well, where John lives like, I forget the name of the road now, you just pass Thornton Heath you know turn.
(c) BNC

Does it sound fine to you?
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use of the Present Simple in the phrase 'I forget the name now' #2 (permalink) Tue Jan 16, 2007 20:39 pm   use of the Present Simple in the phrase 'I forget the name now'
 

Hi Tamara

That sounds natural to my American ear. To me the addition of 'now' suggests that that I didn't use to have a problem remembering the name, but now I do. The name is no longer retrievable from my brain. 8)

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use of the Present Simple in the phrase 'I forget the name now' #3 (permalink) Wed Jan 17, 2007 10:07 am   use of the Present Simple in the phrase 'I forget the name now'
 

Hi Amy,

Aha…
It seems, I’ve got the difference.

Quote:
but now I do
In Russian ‘forget’ (in the Present Simple) is not completely equal ‘don’t remember’ (as in English, in fact, it is. As it follows from your post.) - because the implicit meaning of the verb 'forget' refers to the act having been done (forgot, have forgotten) or to the regular ‘action’ (as I mentioned above).

So, 'I always forget' sounds natural to me. :)
'I know the name, but right now I can’t/don’t remember it.' – natural, as well.

But I forget it now for Russian ears sounds as if we both know some fact from “my” life that caused local amnesia (some incident or my centenary :) ) - and with ‘now’ I refer to the period started from it. :)

Thanks for your response.

ps. By the way,
Quote:
The name is no longer retrievable
sounds as if I'm sure that I'll never be able to remember the name again... (= have forgotten it forever)
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