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With his briefcase in his hand, the manager walked … : forward reference



 
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With his briefcase in his hand, the manager walked … : forward reference #1 (permalink) Fri Jan 26, 2007 20:22 pm   With his briefcase in his hand, the manager walked … : forward reference
 

Hi

With his briefcase in his hand, the new sales manager walked briskly across the busy road towards his office.

You know, I actually love this funny English tradition to be extremely precise and accurate with own hands, eyes, ears and other personal property.

But this my question is about the style.

Do you consider 'forward reference' is fine (i.e., using his before we know who is the 'he' from the rest of the sentence.)

In Russian the sentence (being directly translated with no any special emphasis)
wouldn’t contain the first two 'his' (his-es ?? Shocked Laughing ).
Just something like: "With briefcase in hand, the manager walked…"
and so, wouldn’t contain 'forward reference' explicitly and wouldn't sound that heavy for my ears.

What do you think about the structure?
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With his briefcase in his hand, the manager walked … : reference back #2 (permalink) Fri Jan 26, 2007 20:42 pm   With his briefcase in his hand, the manager walked … : reference back
 

Hi Tamara,

You could of course say 'briefcase in hand' or 'carrying his briefcase'. The point here is a question of style and to me the repetition of 'his' makes the point that this person is carrying the briefcase with an air of determination. You know the scene in Oliver Twist by Charles Dickens where the boy Oliver asks for more to eat. Now I don't know what the great man actually wrote, off the top of my head, but you could say: Oliver with his little bowl in his little hand asked for more.

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With his briefcase in his hand, the manager walked … : reference back #3 (permalink) Fri Jan 26, 2007 20:51 pm   With his briefcase in his hand, the manager walked … : reference back
 

Hi Tamara,

I overegged it I'm afraid. The Great Man didn't use 'his' at all!

http://www.teachit.co.uk/attachments/dicex3.pdf

If you read to the end, it says simply 'basin and spoon in hand'

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With his briefcase in his hand, the manager walked … : forward reference #4 (permalink) Sat Jan 27, 2007 11:25 am   With his briefcase in his hand, the manager walked … : forward reference
 

Hi Alan,

Thanks, really nice reading for me.

Actually, I also asked about the following (sentence) scheme:
First, <Participle phase with his/her/him/…> and then – <main clause, introducing the subject>.

Personally, I don’t like it (when it’s not a special fiction writing technique).
In Russian, too.
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With his briefcase in his hand, the manager walked … : forward reference #5 (permalink) Sat Jan 27, 2007 11:30 am   With his briefcase in his hand, the manager walked … : forward reference
 

Hi,

Can you give me an example?

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With his briefcase in his hand, the manager walked … : forward reference #6 (permalink) Sat Jan 27, 2007 13:44 pm   With his briefcase in his hand, the manager walked … : forward reference
 

One example I gave above, in the first post of the thread.
It's from my home exercise on 'Participle Phrases'. )

To illustrate what I mean, I'll try to construct my own sentence, intentionally exaggerating this (cranky) writing style/structure:

Having opened the front door of her house and hardly restrained herself from sharp words against her new neighbours leaving their car right in front of her garage, <the subject> (Mary/a young blonde woman/…) + <the main verb>
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With his briefcase in his hand, the manager walked … : forward reference #7 (permalink) Sat Jan 27, 2007 13:45 pm   With his briefcase in his hand, the manager walked … : forward reference
 

Hi Tamara

I think you'd be less likely to hear a sentence such as both "With his briefcase in his hand, the new sales manager walked ..." and "With briefcase in hand, the new sales manager walked ..." in everyday spoken English.

In spoken English it's more likely that people will start the sentence off with "The new sales manager walked..."

Is that what you wanted to know?

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With his briefcase in his hand, the manager walked … : forward reference #8 (permalink) Sat Jan 27, 2007 13:54 pm   With his briefcase in his hand, the manager walked … : forward reference
 

Hi Tamara,

Let's redo that:

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Having opened the front door of her house and hardly restrained herself from sharp words against her new neighbours leaving their car right in front of her garage, <the subject> (Mary/a young blonde woman/…) + <the main verb> …
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Having opened the front door of the house and refraining from using sharp words against the new neighbours for having left their car in front of her garage, the young woman ...

I've just kept in 'their' and 'her' to show why she is peeved.

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With his briefcase in his hand, the manager walked … : forward reference #9 (permalink) Sat Jan 27, 2007 13:55 pm   With his briefcase in his hand, the manager walked … : forward reference
 

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In spoken English it's more likely that people will start the sentence off with "The new sales manager walked..."

Yes, Amy, but I'm talking about writing styles. This June I'm going to take ESOL exams of/at the next level. Smile
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With his briefcase in his hand, the manager walked … : forward reference #10 (permalink) Sat Jan 27, 2007 13:58 pm   With his briefcase in his hand, the manager walked … : forward reference
 

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Having opened the front door of the house and refraining from using sharp words against the new neighbours for having left their car in front of her garage, the young woman ...

Thanks a lot, Alan. Your sentence sounds much better than mine Smile

The only doubt for me is:
could I use the (definite article, I mean) here if it were (let's imagine this) the very first sentence of a story?
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With his briefcase in his hand, the manager walked … : forward reference #11 (permalink) Sat Jan 27, 2007 14:12 pm   With his briefcase in his hand, the manager walked … : forward reference
 

That's OK because it is the door of the house and the neighbours of the house.

In other words it's all hunky-dory, tickety-boo, even kosher or as everyone says no worries/no problem.

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With his briefcase in his hand, the manager walked … : forward reference #12 (permalink) Sat Jan 27, 2007 14:15 pm   With his briefcase in his hand, the manager walked … : forward reference
 

Alan wrote:
the door of the house and the neighbours of the house.

it's all hunky-dory, tickety-boo, even kosher

Smile Very Happy Very Happy

Thanks!!!
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