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My president says ,he wants to solve the problem without war,but I think this is impossible...
Cause Osetians and Abxazians don't make decisions on their own,Russians do it for them and they will never let us live together without war... |
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| Fri Mar 02, 2007 11:33 am Is war really a joke? |
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| Che Gevara wrote: | [
Yes, I have documentary film ,how armenians fight against Georgians
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Are you kidding ?
First time I see someone from Azerbaijan says armenians are peaceful
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You are quite right! I was ironic when I wrote that. I did not put a smiley after my sentence deliberately in order to see your reaction. As you know we are in a state of war with Armenia but there is a fragile truce between us since 1994. As you know they have occupied 20 per cent of our territories and we have 1 million refugees and internally displaced persons in the country. We commomerated the victims of the Khojali (Xocali) massare on the 15th anniversary of this terrible event on 26 February. (For more information, see http://www.khojaly.net/ Read what different international newspapers wrote about the mass killings.)
It is sad that our countries are suffering separatism and extremism. I personally believe that military actions will be unavoidable in solving some of these territorial disputes. Unfortunately, both your and my country are suffering because some hostile countries do not want to recognize the territorial integrity of our countries. I heard Georgia is expecting another dispute by Armenians in Javakheti region, but I hope you country will cope with the challenge and that you will not have another "Karabakh problem" on your territory.
Azerbaijan and Georgia are doing well in terms of regional projects and economic development, which instills hope that we will be stronger and our enemies will not have any option other than accepting our fair demand of restoring the territorial integrity of our countries.
Conflicts in the Caucasus have nothing to do with religions. They stemmed from territorial disputes. Both Azerbaijan and Georgia are very tolerant to religious differences. Georgians, who are Christians, told me in my recent visit to Georgia that they felt Azeris, who are Muslims, closer to them than Armenians who are also Christians. So, religion has no impact on any dispute in this part of the world.
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| Fri Mar 02, 2007 11:35 am Is war really a joke? |
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By the way, war is no joke at all. I hate war, but I want our neighbours respect our rights and liberate our lands...
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| Fri Mar 02, 2007 12:04 pm Is war really a joke? |
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Then there's also the "fun" the Russians had with the last Ukrainian presidential elections, where they secretly poisoned the most popular (and pro-independence) candidate. The guy didn't die, and he's president now, but his health and appearance were affected. Here you can see the before and after.
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| Fri Mar 02, 2007 14:02 pm Is war really a joke? |
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| Jamie (K) wrote: | I am told by Lebanese, Syrian and Egyptian Muslims that in their countries Muslims and Christians "live together as brothers", but Christians from those same places tell me the opposite story. And I see documentaries that tell about all kinds of discrimination, murder and other crimes in those places based on religious intolerance.
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Hey ....
really, you tell us the truth.... 
ok, tell me who's tell you that ? don't say me, them the same people who tell you what happen in Iraq....
because they can't talk in english  ... remember you tell that for us.
If you say truth , why we have still a lot of Churchs and it's very old and nobody of moslems try to its crash in my country.
open your eyes
LOOK AND READ THESE
| Quote: | As for the historical Christianity in Damascus and its countryside are also many
And in the area stretching from the east door to door and Toma there is a large number of historic churches, which includes many of the walls between the unique icons. and those of the most famous churches :
Church of St. Paul : located at the door Kisan one of the seven sections of the Old Damascus, it is the place left by the St. Paul Damascus escape of the Jews, and in memory of the St. Paul building were constructed monument in the year 1971 thanks to a personal donation of Pope Paul VI, is located in a suburb To study at a distance of less than a kilometer to the south section of Kisan outside the walls of the Old City, a complex consisting of churches and monasteries of nuns.
- The Church of Saint : and located near the east door, which was converted to Saint St. Paul Christian hands.
- Mary Church, located : near the arc Alttrabil located in the old Damascene neighborhoods in the region situated between the Umayyad Mosque and the eastern section, and this Cathedral of Mary Roman Catholic built back to the Byzantine period.
However, the months of churches and monasteries are concentrated in the areas of historical Saidnaya, north of Damascus Malola located about 30 km And most of the effects of these towns due to the Roman and Byzantine eras, which is also due to the age of Aramaic and those of the most famous places :
Mar Thoma, and the monastery and church Alchirobim Sofia, and the monastery Ms. : , which was reportedly built in the sixth century during the reign of Emperor Jostineanus. This includes the monastery several important icons of the Madonna.
And in the town of Saydnaya there are dozens of cemeteries in the town and around the back of the Roman and Byzantine eras, especially the cemetery engraved in the three couples the foot of the plateau, which was held by a woman Saidnaya Monastery. And like the burial place to stay, a large cemetery is the era of Romanian and similar building temples, known as Allolph because of the circular staircase which leads to the roof, and has transformed this place into a church of saints and Paul Boutros.
- Is still religious tolerance is the most prominent theme in the life of the Syrians to this day, and in the contemporary Syria enjoy all religious groups and various currents of ideology and the rights of religions practice their religion freely without interference ... one without the emergence of the tendency of sectarianism and neighboring countries have nominated.
. And over the city of Damascus, which is called (the city of mosques) are tens of religious landmarks the historic mosques and churches frequented by Muslims and Christians of various nationalities to get to those places one hand and prayer, of the other. . The city also includes a number of other mosques, churches and monasteries, old and Islamic monuments Christian and ancient known not only as places of worship. , But also collectibles architectural magical and symbols of Arab civilization inherent Tsahar section of foreign tourists who visit to watch from all parts of the world. and because of this diversity and historic archeological Say to find the best it has ever seen in the world.
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| Sat Mar 03, 2007 12:19 pm Is war really a joke? |
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| Dark magician wrote: | Hey ....
really, you tell us the truth....
ok, tell me who's tell you that ? don't say me, them the same people who tell you what happen in Iraq....
because they can't talk in english ... remember you tell that for us. |
I don't completely understand your English here, but I can tell you that the people who tell me what goes on in Iraq are from Iraq, and they or their family members saw it.
The people who tell me what goes on in Egypt, Lebanon and Syria are from Egypt, Lebanon and Syria, and they saw it. My point was that the Muslims and Christians give me a completely different account of the relations between those two religions in those countries. The Muslims always say there are no problems, and the Christians always say there are a lot of problems. Maybe the two sides' idea of what constitutes a problem is different.
| Quote: | | Is still religious tolerance is the most prominent theme in the life of the Syrians to this day, and in the contemporary Syria enjoy all religious groups and various currents of ideology and the rights of religions practice their religion freely without interference ... one without the emergence of the tendency of sectarianism and neighboring countries have nominated. |
The English in this quotation is so bad that I don't understand it all, but I think I get the point. People can write anything in a tourist guidebook anyway, and in any country those books tend to put a smiley face on everything. |
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| Sat Mar 03, 2007 15:31 pm Is war really a joke? |
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Thanks God
You take my Idea here
You said (People can write anything) and I'll tell you (they can say anything)
In my country there around 1/3 people are Christians and the Vatican will do in my country world colloquium for Churches in this month and the Vatican said Syria is country for all religious and all people life in peace.
The Vatican not Islamic country or from Arab countries but they can't say else the truth.
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| Sat Mar 03, 2007 23:23 pm Is war really a joke? |
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Jamie (K)
I am Cristian,more then 95 % in my Country are Cristians,from 3th Century and We love muslims ,they are Our brothers...They live in peace in my country and there hasn't been and I'm sure will not be any terrorist aqt...
I think most dangerous terrorists are in the government of USA and most dangerous terrorist is George W Bush...
and I think every american has to try stop him ....
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| Sat Mar 03, 2007 23:31 pm Is war really a joke? |
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Hi Dear Dark... ,
Please write some comments to these Encyclopedia information about your country is it not the true ?
Main article: Human rights in Syria
A state of emergency imposed by the government has remained in effect since 1963 despite public calls by Syrian reformists for its repeal. Since then, security forces have committed human rights abuses including arbitrary arrest and detention, prolonged detention without trial, unfair trials in the security courts, and infringement on privacy rights. Amnesty International estimates around 600 political prisoners remain.
Prison conditions do not meet international standards for health and sanitation. The regime restricts freedom of speech, press, assembly, association, and political opposition. According to Arab Press Freedom Watch, the current government has a poor record on freedom of expression.
In 2005 Freedom House rated political rights and civil liberties in Syria as “7” (1 representing the most free and 7 the least free rating) and gave it the freedom rating of “Not Free” [3]. There have been no changes in these ratings since 1972. [5]
Human Rights Watch World Report 2007 confirmed that the human rights situation in Syria continued to deteriorate further in 2006. ‘thousands of political prisoners, many of them members of the banned Muslim Brotherhood and Communist Party remained in detention’ (HRW World Report 2007, p1). The Syrian authorities have refused to confirm the numbers and names of those detained but the Syrian Human Rights Committee based in London estimated the figure to be approximately 4,000.
Syria continues to use the death penalty and HRW have documented many instances of arbitrary detention, torture and disappearances in 2006.
Kurds continue to suffer discrimination and violence. At ten percent of the population they form the largest ethnic minority group in Syria. An estimated 300,000 Syria born Kurds are still denied citizenship.
Despite a constitution which guarantees gender equality there have been no changes in 2006 to the discriminatory laws which affect millions of women in both the public and private spheres. For example the penal code continues to contain a provision that allows a judge to suspend punishment for a rapist if he marries his victim and within marriage women are still treated as their husband’s chattel.
Religion in Syria
Syria's population is approximately 90% Muslim and 10% Christian. Among Muslims, 75% are Sunni [6]; the rest are divided among other Muslim sects, mainly Alawis and Druze, but also a small number of Isma'ili and twelver Shi'a, which has increased dramatically due to the influx of Iraqi refugees. Christians, a sizable number of which are also found among Syrian Palestinians, are divided into several groups. Chalcedonian Antiochian Orthodox ("Greek Orthodox") make up 50-55% of the Christian population; the Catholics (Latin, Armenian, Maronite, Caldean, Melkite and Syriac) make up 18%, Assyrian Christians, Armenian Oriental Orthodox centred in Aleppo, the native Syriac Orthodox Church and several smaller Christians groups account for the remainder. There also is a tiny Syrian Jewish community that is confined mainly to Damascus; remnants of a formerly 40,000 strong community. After the 1947 UN Partition plan in Palestine, there were heavy pogroms against Jews in Damascus and Aleppo. The Jewish property was confiscated or burned and after the establishment of the State of Israel, many fled to Israel and only 5000 Jews were left in Syria. Of these, 4000 more left after agreement with the United States in the 1990s. As of 2006, there are only 100-200 Jews left in Syria.
When I was in Syria one of my friends was trying to convince me that it is forbidden to own a car in your country.
I fought about this as a joke.
Is it true?
If it may cause any trouble for you, just ignore it, if you are one of this people
who come in the night... as it was in Poland before 1990 God forgive You...
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| Sun Mar 04, 2007 0:00 am Is war really a joke? |
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| Che Gevara wrote: | | I am Cristian,more then 95 % in my Country are Cristians,from 3th Century and We love muslims ,they are Our brothers...They live in peace in my country and there hasn't been and I'm sure will not be any terrorist aqt... |
How did Islam spread to your country?
| Che Gevara wrote: | I think most dangerous terrorists are in the government of USA and most dangerous terrorist is George W Bush...
and I think every american has to try stop him .... |
It would be hard to argue that he's worse than the Taliban or the Islamic government of Sudan, which has been systematically killing black Christians for years. If your opinion is based on the news about Iraq, I think you'd better read a little better and figure out who's blowing up the schools, universities, hospitals and marketplaces in that country. |
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| Sun Mar 04, 2007 0:02 am Is war really a joke? |
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| Dark magician wrote: | | In my country there around 1/3 people are Christians and the Vatican will do in my country world colloquium for Churches in this month and the Vatican said Syria is country for all religious and all people life in peace. |
Christians from Syria and Lebanon tell me that they've often been told by Muslims in their countries, "First comes Saturday, then comes Sunday." Please explain the meaning of this expression. |
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| Sun Mar 04, 2007 9:26 am Is war really a joke? |
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How did Islam spread to your country?
Some Citizens of Georgia are ethnic Azerbaijanian ,Turks, Qurds,Russian muslims,Chechens e.t.c they are 2-3% of population
We have Georgian muslims too-1-2 %,Muslim Countries (Iran,Iraq and Turkey) always tried to conquer Georgia and make us muslims ,they were killing Our men and taking Our women and children to their Country, after some time, some of these etnich Georgians decided to come back and live here, but they are still muslims, but they are Our brothers some of them have already become Christian and as I know others are going too..
It would be hard to argue that he's worse than the Taliban or the Islamic government of Sudan, which has been systematically killing black Christians for years. If your opinion is based on the news about Iraq, I think you'd better read a little better and figure out who's blowing up the schools, universities, hospitals and marketplaces in that country.[/quote]
I know Americans are strange there, they have to leave, if anyone comes here, rape 13 years girls ,kill my President(millions of Iraqis supported Saddam) and thousands of innocent people, gains control of all strategic places and takes all my Countries wealth away, I'll have to kill them all too..
I don't know whether government of Sudan has been killing Christians or not..
It more looks like GWB's announcement-good reason to bomb this Country...
If it really happens that's very bad, but there are more civil ways to stop such things happening
but I'm sure such things have no mass character... |
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| Sun Mar 04, 2007 14:55 pm Is war really a joke? |
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| Che Gevara wrote: | | Muslim Countries (Iran,Iraq and Turkey) always tried to conquer Georgia and make us muslims ,they were killing Our men and taking Our women and children to their Country, |
In other words, Islam spread to Georgia in the usual way -- by violence and force.
| Che Gevara wrote: | | after some time, some of these etnich Georgians decided to come back and live here, but they are still muslims, but they are Our brothers some of them have already become Christian and as I know others are going too.. |
These Georgian Muslims sound like many Albanian Muslims. Those Albanians say to me, "We're bad Muslims, because the religion was forced on us."
| Che Gevara wrote: | | I know Americans are strange there, they have to leave, if anyone comes here, rape 13 years girls, |
There was a group of maybe three or four Americans who conspired to rape and kill a 13-year-old girl and kill those of her family members who were in the house. But you obviously haven't heard the rest of the story. The US military arrested them, and put them on trial. The main organizer of the crime got a sentence of 100 years in prison, and the others got 90 years. In other words, they'll probably be in prison for the rest of their lives. So it's wrong to say that "the Americans" rape 13-year-old girls. These guys were criminals and might have done the same thing if they were in the United States. So far I haven't seen al-Quaeda arrest and imprison any of those guys who kidnap people and cut off their heads.
| Che Gevara wrote: | | kill my President (millions of Iraqis supported Saddam) |
You don't know very many Iraqis. Most of them didn't support Saddam, and most of them wanted him executed. Millions of people supported Hitler too, but that doesn't mean he should have been left walking around.
| Che Gevara wrote: | | and thousands of innocent people, |
Pay closer attention to the news and to who is killing most of the innocent people. Innocent bystanders get killed in every war, but American strategies and technologies are designed to minimize that. The other side targets civilians deliberately.
| Che Gevara wrote: | | gains control of all strategic places and takes all my Countries wealth away, |
Okay, explain to me exactly how the United States takes "all of Iraq's wealth away". We're pouring a lot of money into repairing their oil facilities so that Iraq can have income and people can be employed. The terrorists blow the facilities up, because they need Iraqis to be poor, so that they can try to blame it on the Americans. The Americans aren't making any money on this strategy, and what oil comes out is sold on the world market, so you're completely full of baloney in this part.
| Che Gevara wrote: | | I don't know whether government of Sudan has been killing Christians or not.. |
They are, and it has been going on for at least 15 years. How is it possible that you don't know about it? It's common knowledge. They don't kill all of them, but carry away some of the women and children and sell them as slaves all over Africa. Here is just one (five-year-old) story on the situation, but you can find tens of thousands more such reports:
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=26672
| Che Gevara wrote: | It more looks like GWB's announcement-good reason to bomb this Country...
If it really happens that's very bad, but there are more civil ways to stop such things happening
but I'm sure such things have no mass character... |
I'm sorry, Che, I didn't understand what you said in this part. |
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