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One of the verses about relations between Muslims and others:
"Thou wilt surely find that, of all people, the most hostile to those who believe [in this divine writ] are the Jews as well as those who are bent on ascribing divinity to aught beside God; and thou wilt surely find that, of all people, they who say, "Behold, we are christians," come closest to feeling affection for those who believe [in this divine writ]: this is so because there are priests and monks among them, and because these are not given to arrogance." (Surah Maidah, verse 82)
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| #33 (permalink) Thu Feb 22, 2007 11:10 am Do you like marihuana? |
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| Jamie (K) wrote: |
There is a concept called al-takeyya.
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Yes, there is such a concept called al-takeyya, but either you or people who spoke to you about this distort the meaning of this concept. Al-takeyya means that a Muslim can disown his faith if his life under threat. That is all. Al-takeyya does not justify lying in any other occasion.
I remember I had training in the UK as part of my journalistic activity. The training was about extreem situations in which reporters may find themselves. The trainers said that we could do everything to save our lives if we were abducted by terrorists, lyeing was one of the options to save our lives. So, this is exactly what al-takeyya means.
As for the Muslims' attitude to Jews or Christians, let me give you one example. When having training in Oxford, I met one Jew at my English language school (I can name the school and that person if you insist) who was found of the Quran. I enjoyed speaking to him and discussing lots of issues. I can assure you that he is closer to me than those who call themselves Muslims but behave unproperly to you and other people in your country.
There are lots of things in which you are completely right. There are crimes like those in Beslan, Darfur and other places committed in the name of Islam, but is this something what our religion says to do? Also, when we say Muslim, is this the man who fulfils rituals, or is this the person who loves Allah and behaves sincerely? For me, it is really a big question whom you call a Muslim. According to the Quran, Abdaham was a sincere Muslim, which justifies that a Muslim is not just every person who prays or fasts in Ramadhan. In fact a Muslim is a clever, sincere and fair person who believes in one single God and does good deeds...
Again, the Quran says: "Woe, then, unto those praying ones, whose hearts from their prayer are remote, those who want only to be seen and praised, and, withal, deny all assistance" (Surah 107, verses 4-7)
I am ready to continue discussing various issues with you if first, Alan or Torsten do not object, and second, we will do that with great respect to each other.
"CALL THOU (all mankind] unto thy Sustainer's path with wisdom and goodly exhortation, and argue with them in the most kindly manner, for, behold, thy Sustainer knows best as to who strays from His path, and best knows He as to who are the right-guided." (Surah 16, verse 125)
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| #34 (permalink) Thu Feb 22, 2007 17:23 pm Do you like marihuana? |
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Jamie,
I would be honest with you, this is the first time i heard of Al Taqiyya.But after reading about it, I knew rite away that it was not a new thing to me. I remember the story told to me back then about renouncing one's faith when one's life is in danger.That's the original Taqiyya, when Muhammad said to one man that it is ok for him to renounce his faith(but remain true in the heart) to save his life when everybody else condemned him.
Al Taqiyya is not about lying to non muslims to excuse oneself. When a muslim lied to save her face, that is not Al-Taqiyya, that is hypocrisy, dear.
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| Muslims are frequently told, and have frequently said to me, that Christians have distorted the Bible. Muslims are frequently told, and have frequently said to me, that Christians have distorted the Bible. |
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| One cannot read about Islam or discuss Islam with Muslims without hearing this criticism, even though they have little or no archeological or documentary evidence of it. |
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| Another common criticism of Christianity that Muslims preachers frequently say to other Muslims, but at least in the United States, seldom to Christians, which is that Christians worship more than one god. This, of course, is not true either, but they say it. These are just two of many common criticisms. |
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| A great deal of the discussion of Islam that I hear and read is a critique of Christianity and Judaism, with the intention of explaining that they are "false religions". |
Personally, I hate these kind of allegations and the 'holier than thou' attitude. I am not the only muslims who think so. You have made it clear what is muslim to you.Maybe I have not made mine clear.
A buddhist is born a buddhist.He prays to God, he does good deeds,He's principled, he respects others.He does not think of himself only and always think of other people's best interests.
To me that's Islam(I'll call it Christian if that would make you happy) and to me that's muslim(or people of the book).As a muslim from the 'conventional' way, I have no problems whatsoever to marry him and bear his children. And if my children chose Buddhism as their faith, then so be it.
I have been called an infidel for expressing these thoughts but that is the extent of my beliefs.
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| I do not see why this type of criticism of other religions should be allowed, and actually be quite common for Muslims, while at the same time, Christians and Jews should not be allowed to criticize Islam. |
Then why did you do it?I like to think it as a slip of the tongue.
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| All religions are strengthened when they are criticized and defended -- with words. |
I'm sorry Jamie, I have to disagree.Faith can be strengthened with words, but religions are strong on their own. |
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I have never smoked a cigarette. But I frequently smoke waterpipe, which I think is less harmful comparing to cigarettes.
The Netherlands where I live is known for its tolerance for soft drugs. Every sort of soft drugs are allowed, and the reason behind this is that if they legalise soft drugs, people won't tend to use hard drugs, but instead will use soft drugs. |
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| #36 (permalink) Thu Mar 22, 2007 9:09 am Do you like marihuana? |
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| Hedonist wrote: |
I have never smoked a cigarette. But I frequently smoke waterpipe, which I think is less harmful comparing to cigarettes.
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They call it sheeshaa, right? |
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| NinaZara wrote: |
| Hedonist wrote: |
I have never smoked a cigarette. But I frequently smoke waterpipe, which I think is less harmful comparing to cigarettes.
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They call it sheeshaa, right? |
It probably depends on the part of the world you are in. 'Narghile' or 'hubble-bubble' is what I call it. I've also heard it called 'hookah', but the word 'sheeshaa' is new to me.
It's become quite fashionable in some places, which is incongruous with the present no-smoking craze, really. Have you tried all these fancy flavoured kinds of tobacco: apple, strawberry, grape, rose, etc.? There's quite a ritual involved in lighting and keeping the pipe lit, which I enjoy as much as the smell and peaceful bubbling sound. |
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| #38 (permalink) Thu Mar 22, 2007 11:39 am Do you like marihuana? |
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better try fungus  It will help you get in touch with your roots (Eminem) |
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| #39 (permalink) Thu Mar 22, 2007 12:07 pm Do you like marihuana? |
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| better try fungus It will help you get in touch with your roots (Eminem) |
Like in that Simpsons episode with the magic mushroom?
By the way, have you heard of that giant mushroom in Oregon that takes up 1,665 football pitches -- your roots and beyond, eh? |
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Having seen many Barclay's English Premiership games on Fox Soccer Channel, I've come to wonder:
Are English announcers' penchant for treating "team/club/side" as plural duplicated in non-soccer-speak in England?
They say things like:
"Manchester United are surely going to win the game now, as they now lead Bolton 3-1 in the 88th minute at Old Trafford."
"Wenger said that his side are going to miss Thierry Henry."
"The club are currently in talks with Carragher's agent to work out a deal."
Is the coupling of team/club/staff/company (singular nouns that are treated as plural because they have multiple people in them) with plural verb forms accepted in general British English, or is this just something done with the game of soccer?
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| #42 (permalink) Thu Mar 22, 2007 14:56 pm Do you like marihuana? |
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There's quite a ritual involved in lighting and keeping the pipe lit, which I enjoy as much as the smell and peaceful bubbling sound.
Conchita,
Are you sure you're using a hookah pipe, and not a bong? hehe
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| prezbucky wrote: |
| Are you sure you're using a hookah pipe, and not a bong? hehe |
A bong? That's another new word on me -- I only knew the bong of a bell or clock (the song of the bong of a gong  ). |
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| #44 (permalink) Thu Mar 22, 2007 15:57 pm Do you like marihuana? |
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Don't ask, Conchita. It's an illegal item here in the States (used to smoke marijuana), though some are trying to change its status.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bong
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