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#2 (permalink) Fri Feb 02, 2007 10:04 am 'where' vs 'in which' |
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Hi Tamara,
'In which' is more precise than 'where' in defining location as in: This is the box in which she keeps her pearls. This is the place where she keeps her pearls. In your sentences, although the meaning is the same, possibly the use of 'in which' is more apposite because there is a reference to animals being kept inside zoos.
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#3 (permalink) Fri Feb 02, 2007 11:24 am 'where' vs 'in which' |
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Are you talking about all zoos, Tamara? _________________ "Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a man's character, give him power." ~ Abraham Lincoln |
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#4 (permalink) Fri Feb 02, 2007 11:32 am 'where' vs 'in which' |
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I also wondered about that. As they are written (without a comma), Tamara's sentences suggest that not all zoos keep animals in cages (which is apparently a fact). |
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#5 (permalink) Fri Feb 02, 2007 11:33 am 'where' vs 'in which' |
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I assume Tamara is referring to those zoos where/in which ...
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#6 (permalink) Fri Feb 02, 2007 11:50 am 'where' vs 'in which' |
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Hi
Yes, Alan's assumption is right, I mean only
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(I was given a homework composition ('Zoos: pros and contras', or something of the kind). Today is the second day I’ve been writing it. :))
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#7 (permalink) Fri Feb 02, 2007 11:56 am 'where' vs 'in which' |
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It's just that I've never been to or heard of a zoo in which none of the animals are ever in cages. That's why I asked. _________________ "Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a man's character, give him power." ~ Abraham Lincoln |
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#8 (permalink) Fri Feb 02, 2007 12:39 pm 'where' vs 'in which' |
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Without flogging this point to death, which has become a bit of a feature in some of the comments on the site, there is no reference in Tamara's sentence to indicate that all animals are kept in cages.
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#9 (permalink) Fri Feb 02, 2007 12:48 pm 'where' vs 'in which' |
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That's why I asked, Alan. Any zoo I've ever been to had at least some animals that were always caged, and some that were sometimes caged, etc. _________________ "Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a man's character, give him power." ~ Abraham Lincoln |
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#10 (permalink) Fri Feb 02, 2007 12:49 pm 'where' vs 'in which' |
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I love you all. :)
In my view, if we consider normal everyday speaking/writing and (would :)) arm ourselves with good common sense), this just means that a vast majority of animals are kept (and presented to the public) in / without cages. As normal practice and the zoo policy. This can be taken as the difference and a "distinctive feature".
PS By the way, Amy, for example:
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#11 (permalink) Fri Feb 02, 2007 13:15 pm 'where' vs 'in which' |
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OK I'll really flog it to death - the question was:
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#12 (permalink) Fri Feb 02, 2007 13:31 pm 'where' vs 'in which' |
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Oh, come on, Alan. Clarifying and asking counter questions is a normal part of communication. I asked a simple question in order to clarify in my own mind that what Tamara had written was what Tamara actually meant.
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#13 (permalink) Fri Feb 02, 2007 13:44 pm 'where' vs 'in which' |
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Too late, the poor horse is dead.
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#14 (permalink) Fri Feb 02, 2007 16:57 pm 'where' vs 'in which' |
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Yes, along with the last bit of my comprehension of some things.
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#15 (permalink) Fri Feb 02, 2007 19:33 pm 'where' vs 'in which' |
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Hi Amy,
I know you just love to have the last word on every comment I make but indulge me this once, won't you?
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