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| I grew up in South Jersey -- less than 30 minutes (by car) from both Philadelphia and Delaware, but I have no idea what a "Delawarean accent" is supposed to be. One thing I am sure of, though, is that people drink "wooder" (water) in Delaware -- just like they do in Philly, South Jersey and "Merlin" (Maryland). |
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Yankee I'm a Communicator ;-)

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Wed Feb 21, 2007 4:50 am Delawarean English |
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Surveys to discern which accents are "most pleasant" don't really explain much, and they vary depending on where you carry them out.
Researchers did the same survey in both the UK and the US to find out which accents of English listeners found "most beautiful". People in the UK rated Cockney dead last, while people in the US rated it number 2. Many Americans can't tell the difference between Cockney, RP, Manchester or whatever. They just know they're "British". |
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Wed Feb 21, 2007 11:36 am Delawarean English |
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Hi Jamie,
Of course, you need to read such surveys with a critical eye. If I remember correctly, the study I was referring to was conducted in all states in the US, so people everywhere from Delaware to Arizona had the opportunity to rate the various accents.
| Quote: | | Many Americans can't tell the difference between Cockney, RP, Manchester or whatever. They just know they're "British". |
That's what I've been telling you. Yet, you always tell us that we should avoid acquiring what you call "a too aristocratic British accent". How on Earth do these Americans know what an 'aristocratic British accent' is like if they are unable to even differentiate between Cockney and advanced RP?
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Wed Feb 21, 2007 12:26 pm Delawarean English |
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Surely you already know the answer to your last question, EU.
Just out of curiosity, how do you differentiate between RP and "advanced RP"? |
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Wed Feb 21, 2007 15:26 pm Delawarean English |
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Hi,
How do I differentiate between RP and advanced RP?
It mostly has to do with the way a certain speaker produces the different (vowel) sounds and how they pronounce specific lexical items.
URP or conservative RP involves the alveolar tap as the usual realisation of /r/ between vowels; this clearly is not a feature of modern/standard/general RP. In advanced or demotic RP accents we find smoothing and r-intrusion. These are just some examples to illustrate how you can make a distinction between a URP speaker, a general RP speaker and an advanced RP speaker.
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Wed Feb 21, 2007 16:14 pm Delawarean English |
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All sounds pretty scary to me! What a strange world you do live in, EU! I must admit when I read your diatribe, I feel a bit like Mon. Jourdain when he discovered he'd been talking prose all his life.
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Wed Feb 21, 2007 17:11 pm Delawarean English |
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| Englishuser wrote: | | How on Earth do these Americans know what an 'aristocratic British accent' is like if they are unable to even differentiate between Cockney and advanced RP? |
They can hear the difference between "advanced RP", or probably better put, severe RP, and the normal old-fashioned BBC speech. |
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Wed Feb 21, 2007 22:03 pm Delawarean English |
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Hi Alan,
You wrote:
| Quote: | | All sounds pretty scary to me! What a strange world you do live in, EU! |
Could you please tell me why you think it sounds scary? I am not sure I get your point.
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Sat Feb 24, 2007 0:52 am Delawarean English |
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Sarcasm lives! Of all days, perhaps on Friday it is most fitting to remind ourselves to take a collective deep breath.
Englishuser, is Cockney the accent in which the "th-->f" shift is employed?
I beseech thee to answer forthwith.
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Sat Feb 24, 2007 1:31 am Delawarean English |
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Hi Tom,
Last time I tried to sell to this distinguished group of English language lovers a sample recording of the Cockney accent but nobody would buy it . As it turned out, it was not Cockney but plain Estuary English.... _________________ Test Of English for International Communication TOEIC Preparation & TOEIC Vocabulary |
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Wed Feb 28, 2007 17:35 pm Delawarean English |
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Is that the accent spoken by those who live under, on, in, or near estuaries?
hehe
Seriously, that's the accent of Londoners? (I'm assuming that the title refers to the estuarial portion of the River Thames) _________________ Billie Jean is not my lover. Hee. |
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prezbucky I'm a Communicator ;-)

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Wed Feb 28, 2007 19:31 pm Delawarean English |
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It ain't necessarily so, as Porgy has it. It's often used to refer to inarticulate mutterings that don't constitute anything.
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Thu Apr 26, 2007 15:10 pm Delawarean English |
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Hi Alan,
Could you please answer my question to you?
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Thu Apr 26, 2007 15:48 pm Delawarean English |
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Englishuser
I'm telling you, dude, if you want to hear a funky accent ("occent" to them), spend some time in the Upper Peninsula of Michigan (U.P.).
You will enjoy your time there. Oh, and if you're a fan of pasties (the food item), well let's just say they're a staple of the Yooper diet. _________________ Billie Jean is not my lover. Hee. |
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