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#2 (permalink) Wed Feb 21, 2007 9:42 am Grammar in use: Andy and I were on the same plane |
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Hi,
I don't quite understand your reference to active and passive when you are referring to the sentences you have written. There are two subjects in the main sentence - a proper name (Andy) and a pronoun (I). This is really a question about word order and the preference would be for the proper name first and then the pronoun. If nothing else this is also a matter of balance.
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#3 (permalink) Wed Feb 21, 2007 11:22 am Grammar in use: Andy and I were on the same plane |
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| Alan wrote: |
| If nothing else this is also a matter of balance. |
And, more importantly, a matter of courtesy. |
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#4 (permalink) Wed Feb 21, 2007 11:41 am Grammar in use: Andy and I were on the same plane |
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I agree with you, Conchita. Kids are usually taught (by parents and teachers) that 'I' should not be used first and the reason usually given is that this is more polite: - Andy and I - He and I - You and I |
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#5 (permalink) Thu Feb 22, 2007 8:02 am Grammar in use: Andy and I were on the same plane |
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| Quote: |
| And, more importantly, a matter of courtesy. |
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- Andy and I - He and I - You and I |
...unless, of course, the speaker is confessing something.
1- I and Andy were involved in that robbery. 2- I and Julia were punished for being late.
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#6 (permalink) Thu Feb 22, 2007 10:50 am Grammar in use: Andy and I were on the same plane |
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| Tom wrote: |
...unless, of course, the speaker is confessing something.
1- I and Andy were involved in that robbery. 2- I and Julia were punished for being late. |
Even if it wasn't a matter of grammar, I must say that, after a lifetime of use, certain habits are not easily changed.
I would never say 'I and X' -- it will always sound impolite to me. |
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#7 (permalink) Thu Feb 22, 2007 11:28 am Grammar in use: Andy and I were on the same plane |
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I agree, but it is true that you sometimes might hear things such as 'me and you' in very informal English. However, even popular music sometimes gets it right:
Just the two of us We can make it if we try Just the two of us, just the two of us Just the two of us Building castles in the sky Just the two of us, you and I |
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#8 (permalink) Thu Feb 22, 2007 19:39 pm Grammar in use: Andy and I were on the same plane |
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Hi,
And this one will tickle Englishuser's fancy - even the queen says: My husband and I ...
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#9 (permalink) Thu Feb 22, 2007 20:05 pm Grammar in use: Andy and I were on the same plane |
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There is no "I" in "team".
(Maybe not, but there is "me".) _________________ Billie Jean is not my lover. Hee. |
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#10 (permalink) Fri Feb 23, 2007 0:14 am Grammar in use: Andy and I were on the same plane |
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| prezbucky wrote: |
| ... but there is "me". |
So I see! Nice picture, Mr. Hehe.  |
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#11 (permalink) Fri Feb 23, 2007 0:22 am Grammar in use: Andy and I were on the same plane |
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garcias.
that pic was taken about five years ago, though. I've since grown an afro and a foot-long beard.
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