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What happened on September 11? Thu Mar 08, 2007 15:46 pm  What happened on September 11?
 

Re: Florida 2000

It still makes me laugh how the Lefties persist in their delusion that President Bush stole the 2000 presidential election.

1) Florida law clearly stated that unless there was an act of God (hurricane, flood, tornado, etc.) to keep votes from being counted in a timely manner, that there was a set amount of time for votes to be counted and turned in to the state (by each county). There was no such act of God. But Gore decided to challenge the result and asked for more time for the vote-counting to continue in several counties. While Florida election statutes were clear in giving the deadline for votes to be counted and turned in to the state, the activist Florida Supreme Court decided to legislate from the bench and allow the counting to continue past the date set by Florida law. Technically, the vote-counting should not have been extended in the first place.

2) To judge the activism of the Florida Supreme Court, the case went to the US Supreme Court. The US Supreme Court rightly ruled in favor of Florida legislation and stopped the counting. (someone can check me on that, as to what exactly was the action of the US Sup Court).

3) As Jamie stated, even after all the votes were counted (illegally, per Florida law), Bush won Florida and (hence) the election.


Ergo, President Bush did NOT steal the 2000 election. Had Gore been declared the winner, he would have stolen it.
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What happened on September 11? Thu Mar 08, 2007 15:57 pm  What happened on September 11?
 

...and the Lefties (I'm not talking about most Democrats. Most Democrats I know are honorable people who don't whine so much...) bitched again when Bush won in 2004.

This time, thank goodness, the vote was not so close. Bush won Ohio by some 200,000 votes.

Of course, the President had complete control of the voting machines in Ohio.

In what must be the biggest conspiracy ever, the Diebold chairman went to each machine and changed half of the Kerry votes to Bush. He did this to over 200,000 ballots, resulting in the wide margin.

ROFL

Sometimes the squeaky wheel gets the grease. But while our largely leftist media (at least the American political left, anyway) gives plenty of stage time to the Sheehans and Babs Streisands (approx spelling, I'm not going to check) of the world, at least the 2004 lefty whiners didn't lead us into another 2000ish debacle.

Most of us accepted the 2004 result -- Bush handily won the popular vote and the electoral vote (electoral college/vote is the standard).
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What happened on September 11? Thu Mar 08, 2007 16:10 pm  What happened on September 11?
 

Che

If my entire town were intentionally gassed by president Bush -- resulting in the deaths of most of my town's inhabitants -- I would hope you'd think that Bush would deserve to be deposed. I'd want you to help us, if we couldn't help ourselves.

If terrorists forced me to allow them to stay in my house (in effect trying to use my house as a shield), and my family were killed on account of a bomb aimed at those terrorists, I hope you'd side with the guys shooting at the terrorists and realize how despicable it is to use civilians (or mosques, or hospitals... etc.) as shields.

If a political leader murdered upwards of 30 million of his countrymen (Mao and Stalin both did), I hope you'd think them evil men. No political movement (Mao's Communism, for crying out loud -- an anti-freedom movement, at that) or politician (the uber-paranoid Stalin) is worth 20-30 million of his countrymen's lives. Mao and Stalin perhaps were not quite as evil as Hitler, but the sheer masses they killed should perhaps put them in the same sentence with the Fuhrer.

Saddam did not kill nearly as many people as Mao, Hitler, Pol Pot, or Stalin... but then, he didn't really have access to so many lives. Saddam had to go. The UN wasn't going to depose him -- he'd still be thumbing his nose at the world.

So we went there and haven't found WMD yet (i don't understand how we could have searched everywhere in a country the size of california...) -- which is a strike against us of sorts. However, we did depose a very bad man, a murderer of innocent civilians. We got Iraqis their first free vote in some 50 years. Now we are trying to help secure Iraq so that Iraqis may live in peace, and freedom, and security, with the ability to select their leaders. So cut us some slack, Jack!

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What happened on September 11? Thu Mar 08, 2007 16:12 pm  What happened on September 11?
 

By "we" I mean the US, UK, Spain, Australia, Poland, and others -- the ones doing the heavy lifting.
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What happened on September 11? Fri Mar 09, 2007 0:53 am  What happened on September 11?
 

prezbucky wrote:
In what must be the biggest conspiracy ever, the Diebold chairman went to each machine and changed half of the Kerry votes to Bush. He did this to over 200,000 ballots, resulting in the wide margin.

I think it was Ann Coulter who pointed out that the 2006 election was the first national election in half a decade whose results were not blamed on Diebold.
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What happened on September 11? Fri Mar 09, 2007 12:45 pm  What happened on September 11?
 

Oh
You have written so much : ))))))))))))
Is it be useful to read ? : )))))))))))))))))
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What happened on September 11? Fri Mar 09, 2007 12:45 pm  What happened on September 11?
 

Did anyone watch the vids I uploaded yesterday ?
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What happened on September 11? Fri Mar 09, 2007 12:49 pm  What happened on September 11?
 

Che Gevara wrote:
Did anyone watch the vids I uploaded yesterday ?

We're waiting first for your comments on the vids I asked you to watch, and on Fahrenhype 9/11 (the response film to the Moore screed). You don't seem to be interested in watching them.
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What happened on September 11? Fri Mar 09, 2007 12:58 pm  What happened on September 11?
 

Jamie (K)
To tell you the truth I'm not much interested in these vids ,but I may watch them when I have time ...
I don't ask you to watch vids I've uploaded..
I 'm just interested ,has anyone watched them.. ?
that's all : ))))))))))))))))))))

now need to go. I have a very important meeting...
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What happened on September 11? Fri Mar 09, 2007 13:05 pm  What happened on September 11?
 

Che Gevara wrote:
To tell you the truth I'm not much interested in these vids ,but I may watch them when I have time ...

You expect us to be open-minded about your arguments, but at the same time you expect us to accept closed-mindedness from the other side.
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What happened on September 11? Fri Mar 09, 2007 15:28 pm  What happened on September 11?
 

Hi Tom,

You wrote:

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If terrorists forced me to allow them to stay in my house (in effect trying to use my house as a shield), and my family were killed on account of a bomb aimed at those terrorists, I hope you'd side with the guys shooting at the terrorists and realize how despicable it is to use civilians (or mosques, or hospitals... etc.) as shields.

I really find this statement beyond the bounds of altruism. At the same time it presupposes that bombing terrorists in this way and killing more people as a result solves the problem. What price life?

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What happened on September 11? Fri Mar 09, 2007 15:36 pm  What happened on September 11?
 

good question

Bombing a civilian house is never good (and in my zeal I forgot to mention that, or maybe overlooked it)... but perhaps is a bit more excusable when the intent is to hit the terrorists, as opposed to the innocent civilians.

(of course, if you know that civilians are there, probably you shouldn't fire the projectile. i would imagine/hope that's what soldiers/marines are taught to do, and that when civilians are hit, it's either by the terrorists/insurgents or -- if it's a coalition round -- by complete accident)

As we learned in "Team America: World Police", freedom isn't free. Freedom costs a buck-oh-five.

(I liked that movie, as disturbing as it was in some ways. It's disgusting and full of stereotypes/bigotry but, IMO, hilarious.)

http://www.teamamerica.com/
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What happened on September 11? Fri Mar 09, 2007 18:14 pm  What happened on September 11?
 

Che Gevara wrote:
Did anyone watch the vids I uploaded yesterday ?
Che, what program (and version) is necessary to play your videos?

Personally, I find the 9/11 conspiracy stuff interesting mainly because a lot of it is so ridiculous. I remember when the conspiracy theories first started popping up on the Internet. They were convincingly written, but when I started looking at all the information more closely (and also saw who some of the sources were), it became clear in a hurry that the authors of these theories are people who simply want to believe that the 'mainstream' story is completely false. They appear to be willing to omit or change any information that would tend to disprove their theory. In many cases they tell only part of the story -- the part that seems to support their theory.

I'm not a Bush fan and never have been, but the fact that I don't like Bush and his policies doesn't mean that I'm willing to blindly believe every bit of negative propaganda about Bush that pops up in the media.

Do I think that anything connected with the events of September 11 has been covered up or "glossed over"? Yes, I do think some things probably have been. But I don't believe these fanatical conspiracy theories. I like Michael Moore's "Bush bashing" only because I don't like Bush either. But Michael Moore's films also need to be taken with a very large grain of salt.

Amy

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I'm one of those crazy people who feels that Gore was the 'real' winner of the 2000 election. Laughing
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What happened on September 11? Fri Mar 09, 2007 18:42 pm  What happened on September 11?
 

Hi Yankee
First you have to extract the file you've downloaded ,then you can play these vids in media player classic or windows media player (these are documentaries from Iraq)
and I do not beleive blindly in any propaganda... : )))))))))))))))
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What happened on September 11? Fri Mar 09, 2007 19:00 pm  What happened on September 11?
 

HI,every one ( without J.K)

first, I think who are they kill citizens must pay what they did.

really, I'm very sad on american citizens who killed on September 11
and I pray for them.

but we mustn't forget what happed after September 11.....

any way,let's pray for peace.

PC. Hi Che Gevara is this your real photo here?, may... you like tell us. what happed in your important meet?Wink

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