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Paragraph: 'A long time ago there lived a rich, good-looking king...' Thu Mar 08, 2007 21:55 pm  Paragraph: 'A long time ago there lived a rich, good-looking king...'
 

Hi

Could you please read the passage given below and help me with my queries?

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A long time ago there lived a rich, good-looking king who ruled over Egypt. Otherwise, he had everything that life could offer; all he needed was a son. The king was married to four women with eight daughters-- but none of his wives was able to present him with what he wanted. This bothered him a bit too much and he became completely withdrawn. He wouldn’t speak to his wives, would show no affection to his young princesses and, above all, would take no interest in the state affairs. All he would do was sulk in his lonely chamber.

Q1- A long time ago there lived a rich, good-looking king -- A long time ago lived there a rich, good-looking king (are these same?)

Q2- Ruled over Egypt= Ruled Egypt (are these same?)

Q3- Is the red sentence natural and correct--especially the use of otherwise in the given context?

Q4- Any other mistakes or points I could be advised about?

Many, many thanks in advance Very Happy

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Paragraph: 'A long time ago there lived a rich, good-looking king...' Thu Mar 08, 2007 22:29 pm  Paragraph: 'A long time ago there lived a rich, good-looking king...'
 

1. A long time ago there lived a rich... (unless you're Yoda, you cannot use "lived there a rich...")

2. Both are okay, but I prefer "ruled Egypt".

3. There is nothing prior to this sentence that leads us to believe that his life would be anything other than luxurious/fabulous. Therefore, "Otherwise" does not fit here.

4. If having a son is something important in life, I would consider revising the second sentence.

Try something like, "He had everything that life could offer, except for a son."

...something like that, anyway.

I'll let someone else pitch in on the other sentences (or the two I checked), as I am currently in a jam at work.
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Paragraph: 'A long time ago there lived a rich, good-looking king...' Thu Mar 08, 2007 22:30 pm  Paragraph: 'A long time ago there lived a rich, good-looking king...'
 

Good morning, Tom. Very Happy (It must be the wee hours of the morning where you are!)

1. No, you cannot change the word order to 'lived there'. There lived is a literary usage which is similar to the way 'there is/are' is used. You often find this usage in fairy tales: "Once upon a time there lived a ..."

2. Yes, you could use either one.

3. The word 'otherwise' is out of place. The sentence would flow better and seem more logical if 'all he needed was a son' came first.

4. A few observations:
I would reword 'married to four women with eight daughters'.
Instead of 'state affairs' you could write 'affairs of state'.

Amy

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Oops! Prezbucky was quicker. Sorry if some of my post is redundant.
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Paragraph: 'A long time ago there lived a rich, good-looking king...' Thu Mar 08, 2007 22:39 pm  Paragraph: 'A long time ago there lived a rich, good-looking king...'
 

Nah, it's neat when people render almost exactly the same verdict, sans planning to do so.

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Paragraph: 'A long time ago there lived a rich, good-looking king...' Fri Mar 09, 2007 5:47 am  Paragraph: 'A long time ago there lived a rich, good-looking king...'
 

Many, many thanks to both of you!

Amy wrote:
3. The word 'otherwise' is out of place. The sentence would flow better and seem more logical if 'all he needed was a son' came first.

Amy, could you please give me an example?

Amy wrote:
I would reword 'married to four women with eight daughters'.


Could you please give me an example?
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Paragraph: 'A long time ago there lived a rich, good-looking king...' Fri Mar 09, 2007 5:52 am  Paragraph: 'A long time ago there lived a rich, good-looking king...'
 

OK--please see this also. What about these two alternatives? Which one is better?

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Otherwise, he had everything that life could offer; all he needed was a son.(wrong)


Quote:
Although he had everything that life could offer, all he needed was a son.


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Apparantly, he had everything that life could offer; all he needed was a son.

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Paragraph: 'A long time ago there lived a rich, good-looking king...' Fri Mar 09, 2007 6:21 am  Paragraph: 'A long time ago there lived a rich, good-looking king...'
 

Hi Tom

What about these:
All he needed was a son; he otherwise had everything that life could offer. (The word 'otherwise' can be placed in various places in the second part of the sentence.)
Although he otherwise had everthing that life could offer, he didn't have a son.

And this as a possible rewording:
The king's four wives had given him eight daughters but were not able to present him with the son he so desperately wanted.

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