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#2 (permalink) Sun Mar 18, 2007 20:36 pm never should vs should never |
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Hi Huxley
I consider both sentences to be incorrect with "when I had the chance" on the end. (I think I've mentioned this before.)
The following sentences would be OK, for example:
I should have [done XXX] when I had the chance. -OR- I should have let you [do XXX] when I had the chance. -OR- (similar in meaning to your sentence) I should have forbidden you to [do XXX] when I had the chance.
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#3 (permalink) Sun Mar 18, 2007 21:12 pm never should vs should never |
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| As regards the placement of the word never, both ways are acceptable. (Just make sure you get rid of the end of the sentence!) |
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#4 (permalink) Mon Mar 19, 2007 13:26 pm never should vs should never |
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Hi,
I'm confused! Why, Amy, do you not like the end: when I had the chance?
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#5 (permalink) Mon Mar 19, 2007 14:28 pm never should vs should never |
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Hi Alan
I didn't say I don't like the expression "when I had the chance". I disagree with the usage in combination with the idea of "never allow something to happen" in the original post.
"When I had the chance" means "when I had the chance to [do what is stated in the first part of the sentence]". Thus the sentence in the original post can be extended to: "I never should've allowed you to leave this place when I had the chance to never allow/never to allow you to leave this place." I find this to be incredibly awkward at best.
The expression "when I had the chance" also tends to be used with affirmatives. For example, "I should have kept you from leaving when I had the chance."
Surely you aren't suggesting that you have no misgivings whatsoever about the usage of "when I had the chance" in the original post?
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#7 (permalink) Tue Mar 20, 2007 9:49 am never should vs should never |
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The problems with these sentences:
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1." I never should've allowed you to leave this place when I had the chance."
compared to
2." I should've never allowed you to leave this place when I had the chance." |
are the position of never and the use of when.
I think this order is preferable: either I never should have allowed or I should never have allowed.
The other problem is the juxtaposition of 'never' with 'when'. 'Never' is if you like a 'no' time - it doesn't exist. 'When' on the other hand is a 'yes' time and so does exist. It follows therefore that you can't refer to a time (using 'when') that doesn't exist.
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