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swim the backstroke vs. swim with the backstroke



 
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swim the backstroke vs. swim with the backstroke #1 (permalink) Tue Apr 10, 2007 19:35 pm   swim the backstroke vs. swim with the backstroke
 

Which one is the most acceptable expression grammatically?

1. I can swim backstroke.
2. I can swim the backstroke.
3. I can swim with the backstroke.
4. I can swim with backstroke.

If all of them are acceptable, what is the defference?

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swim the backstroke vs. swim with the backstroke #2 (permalink) Tue Apr 10, 2007 21:10 pm   swim the backstroke vs. swim with the backstroke
 

I'd only choose I can swim the backstroke or I can backstroke
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swim the backstroke vs. swim with the backstroke #3 (permalink) Tue Apr 10, 2007 22:02 pm   swim the backstroke vs. swim with the backstroke
 

Hi Phoo

Both 1 and 2 are fine.
You can also replace the word "swim" with the word "do".

I don't agree with Pamela's "I can backstroke." Though I'm sure I would understand it in context, it sounds odd to me.

Using the word 'the' focuses more on backstroke as a particular stroke. To be honest, though, I think I'd usually leave out the word 'the'.
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swim the backstroke vs. swim with the backstroke #4 (permalink) Wed Apr 11, 2007 7:39 am   swim the backstroke vs. swim with the backstroke
 

So you've never used or heard "with" in this case?
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swim the backstroke vs. swim with the backstroke #5 (permalink) Wed Apr 11, 2007 9:13 am   swim the backstroke vs. swim with the backstroke
 

If you have to apply 'with' to 'backstroke', I wonder if the following sentence could be possible:

Swimming and playing with backstroke the instructor can show you the correct and detailed movement in backstroke.

I am not sure though. Smile

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swim the backstroke vs. swim with the backstroke #6 (permalink) Wed Apr 11, 2007 9:22 am   swim the backstroke vs. swim with the backstroke
 

Thanks anyway.
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swim the backstroke vs. swim with the backstroke #7 (permalink) Fri Apr 20, 2007 22:25 pm   swim the backstroke vs. swim with the backstroke
 

Amy, why do you find I can backstroke odd if backstroke can also perform a function of a verb (some dictionaries define the word as a verb too).
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swim the backstroke vs. swim with the backstroke #8 (permalink) Fri Apr 20, 2007 23:28 pm   swim the backstroke vs. swim with the backstroke
 

My two cents is, it could be odd to apply a word, a phrase or any expression mechanically to its grammatically possible situation. For example, you would feel alright to say 'I can make a phone call' but you wouldn't feel very comfortable to say 'I can phone' even if 'phone' could be an intransitive verb. I think that's why Amy used the word 'odd'.

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