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#2 (permalink) Tue Apr 10, 2007 21:10 pm swim the backstroke vs. swim with the backstroke |
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| I'd only choose I can swim the backstroke or I can backstroke |
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#3 (permalink) Tue Apr 10, 2007 22:02 pm swim the backstroke vs. swim with the backstroke |
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Hi Phoo
Both 1 and 2 are fine. You can also replace the word "swim" with the word "do".
I don't agree with Pamela's "I can backstroke." Though I'm sure I would understand it in context, it sounds odd to me.
Using the word 'the' focuses more on backstroke as a particular stroke. To be honest, though, I think I'd usually leave out the word 'the'. _________________ "Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a man's character, give him power." ~ Abraham Lincoln |
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#4 (permalink) Wed Apr 11, 2007 7:39 am swim the backstroke vs. swim with the backstroke |
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| So you've never used or heard "with" in this case? |
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#5 (permalink) Wed Apr 11, 2007 9:13 am swim the backstroke vs. swim with the backstroke |
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If you have to apply 'with' to 'backstroke', I wonder if the following sentence could be possible:
Swimming and playing with backstroke the instructor can show you the correct and detailed movement in backstroke.
I am not sure though. :)
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#6 (permalink) Wed Apr 11, 2007 9:22 am swim the backstroke vs. swim with the backstroke |
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| Thanks anyway. |
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#7 (permalink) Fri Apr 20, 2007 22:25 pm swim the backstroke vs. swim with the backstroke |
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| Amy, why do you find I can backstroke odd if backstroke can also perform a function of a verb (some dictionaries define the word as a verb too). |
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#8 (permalink) Fri Apr 20, 2007 23:28 pm swim the backstroke vs. swim with the backstroke |
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My two cents is, it could be odd to apply a word, a phrase or any expression mechanically to its grammatically possible situation. For example, you would feel alright to say 'I can make a phone call' but you wouldn't feel very comfortable to say 'I can phone' even if 'phone' could be an intransitive verb. I think that's why Amy used the word 'odd'.
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