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#2 (permalink) Tue Apr 17, 2007 19:19 pm Do you own a gun? |
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For most people it's likely one or more of the following:
- self-defense - hunting - target-shooting (for fun or for competition)
There is also the grander scheme of avoiding tyranny (one of the main reasons the framers of the Constitution added the 2nd Amendment). One of the reasons Hitler had such little trouble in taking and holding such complete control of Germany -- even after many Germans doubtless realized he was nuts -- is that he and his troops had no real opposition. Had there been 40 million armed Germans, who knows how the world would have been different.
This is not to say that the Germans would have revolted... but it certainly took away their capacity for revolt.
I hope this isn't politicized (here) into a debate on gun control. Really the only way for those kids to be protected would have been for one of them, or a group of them, to have rushed the gunman and beaten him senseless.
Another way would have been if they'd been armed. They weren't, the cops couldn't get there in time to stop it, and 32 of them were killed before the nutjob gunman took his own life.
There's a somewhat old train of thought here held by many:
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#3 (permalink) Tue Apr 17, 2007 19:49 pm Do you own a gun? |
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I have a collection of guns, knifes and swards ,My grandfather was a hunter and he was collecting guns ,I think a have a good collection I don’t like hunting and I don’t need it for defence Sometimes I shoot on target _________________ Bombing for peace is like f.. for virginity |
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#4 (permalink) Thu Apr 19, 2007 9:16 am Do you own a gun? |
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I believe in gun ownership, but I don't own a gun, because I'm scared to have one. I am trained to fight with knives, but I don't like having a big fighting knife in the house either. This last feeling is irrational, because I don't mind having large knives in the house as tools, even though they can also be used to fight with.
Americans don't absolutely need guns, but many people feel safer having them, considering the amount of street crime there is. Just the knowledge that someone may have a gun in the house, or on his body, deters a lot of crime, because criminals figure the odds, and they won't go somewhere or bother somebody if there's too big a chance of getting hurt. Plus, the police can't be everywhere, and it's helpful for at least some ordinary citizens to be armed.
Then there are unusual situations where guns come in handy. I read recently about a woman whose child had been caught by an alligator. She was losing the tug-of-war with the beast until a man driving by heard her screams, ran from his car and shot the alligator.
Keep in mind, Torsten, that guns don't kill people. It's the person behind the gun who does the killing. When my father was young, there were still a lot of killings, but people mainly stabbed each other. |
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#5 (permalink) Thu Apr 19, 2007 9:32 am Do you own a gun? |
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It is good to remember that somebody from outside American society (not used to freedom to own the gun ) have committed that murder,if in South Korean guns would be available maybe he would start killing much more earlier in his fatherland Instead he had to go over seas to fulfill his sick dreams. What ever You say America is country of opportunity even for nuts. Good help families of victims
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#6 (permalink) Thu Apr 19, 2007 9:52 am Do you own a gun? |
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Here is an Ann Coulter commentary on guns and mass murder that some of you may find interesting: http://www.townhall.com/Columnists/AnnCoulter/2007/04/18/lets_make_america_a_sad-free_zone!
If you don't read it all, note these comments:
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But since Adam ate the apple and let evil into the world, deranged individuals have existed.
Most of the time they can't be locked up until it's too late. It's not against the law to be crazy -- in some jurisdictions it actually makes you more viable as a candidate for public office.
It's certainly not against the law to be an unsociable loner. If it were, Ralph Nader would be behind bars right now, where he belongs. Mass murder is often the first serious crime unbalanced individuals are caught committing -- as appears to be in the case of the Virginia Tech shooter.
The best we can do is enact policies that will reduce the death toll when these acts of carnage occur, as they will in a free and open society of 300 million people, most of whom have cable TV. |
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Only one policy has ever been shown to deter mass murder: concealed-carry laws. In a comprehensive study of all public, multiple-shooting incidents in America between 1977 and 1999, the inestimable economists John Lott and Bill Landes found that concealed-carry laws were the only laws that had any beneficial effect.
And the effect was not insignificant. States that allowed citizens to carry concealed handguns reduced multiple-shooting attacks by 60 percent and reduced the death and injury from these attacks by nearly 80 percent.
Apparently, even crazy people prefer targets that can't shoot back. The reason schools are consistently popular targets for mass murderers is precisely because of all the idiotic "Gun-Free School Zone" laws. |
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#7 (permalink) Fri Apr 20, 2007 23:41 pm Do you own a gun? |
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Here's an interesting editorial from Investors Business Daily on gun control and the Virgina shootings. http://ibdeditorials.com/IBDArticles.aspx?id=261873389636988
It mentions that five years ago, at another university in Virginia, a student went on a shooting spree, and other students used guns to stop him. Then last year, the Virginia legislature defeated a proposed law that would have prevented universities from restricting students with legal permits from carrying guns. In other words, even if someone were legally allowed to carry a gun, a university could force him not to. And here's the ironic part of the article:
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So the university administration felt there would be a safer atmosphere on the campus if no one were allowed to carry a gun, and the very next year, a man starts shooting up the place, and no one could stop him. |
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#8 (permalink) Sat Apr 21, 2007 8:50 am Do you own a gun? |
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| prezbucky wrote: |
For most people it's likely one or more of the following:
- self-defense - hunting - target-shooting (for fun or for competition)
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Tom, what do you think is the percentage of "average Americans" owning a gun? How many of them encounter a situation where they have to use a gun for self-defense? I mean, how many of your friends, coworkers and family have ever used a gun to defend themselves? And how many of them use guns for hunting purposes? _________________ Test Of English for International Communication TOEIC Preparation & TOEIC Vocabulary |
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#9 (permalink) Sat Apr 21, 2007 18:44 pm Do you own a gun? |
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Hi,
No, I do not own a gun, and I am not going to get one, either. What would I do with a gun?
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#10 (permalink) Sat Apr 21, 2007 18:54 pm Do you own a gun? |
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Nobody I know has ever had to use a gun in self-defense. I actually don't know anyone who's used one other than for hunting or target-shooting. _________________ Billie Jean is not my lover. Hee. |
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#11 (permalink) Sat Apr 21, 2007 19:27 pm Do you own a gun? |
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Hi Tom,
If so few American use guns in self-defense, why are there more than 200 million guns registered in the US? Are you saying that 200 million US citizen go hunting on a regular basis? What animals do they hunt and where? Also, what about target-shooting, how exactly does that work? Do you shoot at bottles or other items in your backyard? _________________ Test Of English for International Communication TOEIC Preparation & TOEIC Vocabulary |
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#12 (permalink) Tue May 01, 2007 9:14 am Do you own a gun? |
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I saw on Tv another crazy guy shoot people in the US , later policemen killed him.. What is going on there ,may be US Government shouldn't allow so many people possess guns.. _________________ Bombing for peace is like f.. for virginity |
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#13 (permalink) Tue May 01, 2007 14:50 pm Do you own a gun? |
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Hi Tom,
If so few American use guns in self-defense, why are there more than 200 million guns registered in the US? Are you saying that 200 million US citizen go hunting on a regular basis? What animals do they hunt and where? Also, what about target-shooting, how exactly does that work? Do you shoot at bottles or other items in your backyard? |
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There's no way there are 200 million gun owners in the US -- that'd be two-thirds of all men, women and children (of all ages).
Some people own 2, 3, 4, 5+ guns -- so I'm guessing the actual number of civilian gun-owners would be something like 40-60 million, maybe.
A goodly number of peops who own guns use them to hunt, sure. Deer and ducks are among the most popular prey.
Target shooting -- yeah, probably in some rural areas it is legal to shoot at things on private property (watermelons, bottles, etc.). Elsewhere, people go target-shooting at shooting ranges. _________________ Billie Jean is not my lover. Hee. |
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#14 (permalink) Tue May 01, 2007 14:56 pm Do you own a gun? |
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Che It looks like there might be a move toward psychological background checks (or more aptly put: checks of a person's psychological/psychiatric history). _________________ Billie Jean is not my lover. Hee. |
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#15 (permalink) Fri May 04, 2007 15:18 pm Do you own a gun? |
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In fact i think guns are redundant/unnecessary. But if i have to choose among the three options i think hunting is my first choice because there must be lots of fun in hunting despite i hate killing wild animals.
the second choice to me is for favorite pastime. but i really don't like shooting as my hobby.
The reason why i won't choose self-defense is that it is hardly conceivable what kind of society it is that common people have to use their own guns to defend themselves instead of the police who are reponsible for the safty of people.The more guns the common people have, the more fears people will face. _________________ Try to change youself before you try to change others. |
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