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Prezbucky I'm a Communicator ;-)

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Fri Apr 27, 2007 16:23 pm Why is the US the most powerful nation in the world? |
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How do you think the people of Tibet feel about having all but two of their 700 temples destroyed by the Chinese army? Do they call themselves Chinese? Or how about the ulgers in XingJiang minorities in their own country. China has never invaded any country? Does the word Propaganda ring a bell? I love my live in China but sometimes it's just so damned silly. Yes, America has been involved in many wars, but for the most part the only land we ask for is to bury our dead. I do believe Beijing has made incredible progress recently as the power of the individual is increasing, hey, it's a big job. China has a long history filled with many first, but America is 250 years old! That should end any argument. Here's an idiom for you, "the proof is in the pudding."
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Sat Apr 28, 2007 6:34 am Why is the US the most powerful nation in the world? |
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No matter how tibet ppl think they are chinese just as indians are americans..... they have been living in this land and belong to chinese for thousands of years in fact the history can date back to Yuan dynasty............. who told you 700 temples were destoryed by the chinese government i think it is just unavoidabe damages in war.... who will be responsble for numerous destoryed chinese historical sites if you say the chinese army destoryed tibetan temples..........you just shut up ....i cann't suck it up......don't say any bad words about china again.... you don't know chinese history at alllllll. _________________ Try to change youself before you try to change others. |
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Sat Apr 28, 2007 16:19 pm Why is the US the most powerful nation in the world? |
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Hello,
Would anybody here consider language as one of the important aspects that contributed to the "powerful"ness of the US?
I notice that countries like China, India, France etc that use their own language as their first language and their official language (language of the trade) developed well.
As to why the US comes first in the rank, is probably because they are not constrained or hold back by any specific culture like the others.What do you guys think?
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NinaZara I'm a Communicator ;-)

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Sat Apr 28, 2007 16:45 pm Why is the US the most powerful nation in the world? |
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| aleaf wrote: | No matter how tibet ppl think they are chinese just as indians are americans..... they have been living in this land and belong to chinese for thousands of years in fact the history can date back to Yuan dynasty............. who told you 700 temples were destoryed by the chinese government i think it is just unavoidabe damages in war.... who will be responsble for numerous destoryed historical sites if you say the chinese army destoryed tibetan temples..........you just shut up ....i cann't suck it up......don't say any bad words about china again.... you don't know chinese history at alllllll. |
This part of the thread reminds me of a propaganda book that the communist Chinese government distributed in the United States at the time the PRC destroyed a large number of the historical monuments in Tibet. The cover showed two mostly-toothless Chinese soldiers grinning in front of a large Buddhist monastery that had been completely ruined by the invading Chinese army. The title of the book was "Tibet: No Longer Medieval", and the authors took great pride in the fact that the PRC had destroyed all those temples and monasteries, evidently believing that the Chinese army had brought "progress" to Tibet. The Chinese government was so blind to outside opinion that they didn't realize this "positive" news would make Americans sick to their stomachs.
Aleaf, you're very concerned with the choice of a country's population as to who should govern them, but you don't extend that concern to Taiwan. The people of Taiwan have chosen over decades not to be ruled by the dictators in Beijing, and it appears you don't want to give them that right. They have had free elections to choose their own government, and you have not. Who is making a choice here?
Your idea of what people have freely chosen is questionable anyway, because everyone knows that people don't freely choose to live under genocidal regimes that will arrest people without trial and murder them. Under the Chinese communists, between 1949 and 1987, 40 million people died, either directly from genocide or because of the failure of communist central planning policies. During the Great Leap Forward, famine killed about 30 million, and about 10 million were killed by the government's attempt to eliminate "counter-revolutionaries". However, as under Stalin, in Russia, some of the famine was intentional genocide, so it's hard to say how many deaths occurred from starvation and how many were politically motivated. Still more tens of thousands were executed during the Great Proletarian Cultural Revolution. That's not to mention at least 3,000 students who died when the Chinese government machine-gunned them at Tiananmen Square in 1989.
Do you really believe that the Cambodian people considered it better to live under the Khmer Rouge, which murdered more than 3 million of the population -- including everyone with a higher education -- instead of living with full human rights under the French or the Americans? I'm sorry, people don't make a choice like that. It's the same in Vietnam.
As Prezbucky mentioned, the US could easily have won the Vietnam war, but the generals were not allowed to do so. Their work was micromanaged from Washington by non-military government personnel, and it was interfered with by diplomats. Even the North Vietnamese were aware that they could not defeat us militarily, which is why they aimed a great deal of propaganda at the American people. They won the war through propaganda, not by military means, and certainly not by the choice of the Vietnamese people. Lenin said that there are a lot of "useful idiots" in the West, and every force that has battled against the US since his time has been aware that the propaganda front is the most important part of a war against the US. You see this happening now in the Iraq situation.
And to respond to another post of yours, communism failed in the USSR and elsewhere not because their governments lost sight of its original principles, but because communism ALWAYS fails EVERYWHERE. It is a flawed system that cannot function even for a short time without government oppression, government theft of personal property, imprisonment of people within the borders of their own country (I can leave the US anytime I want, but I'm betting you can't freely leave China or even your own province!). Communism discourages productivity, which results in famine and other problems.
You may be surprised to know that the first European settlements in North America were run on communist principles, and a huge portion of their population died of famine. When lazy people got as much food and money as hardworking people, everyone became lazy. This was determined by experts who were sent to England to determine what was causing all the death. It was easy to see that communism was at the root of the problem, and when the colonies were switched to a system of capitalism and private property, the colonies prospered. |
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Sat Apr 28, 2007 17:08 pm Why is the US the most powerful nation in the world? |
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| aleaf wrote: | | maybe i don't have the right to comment on the politics of other countries.............. |
Yes, you do. At least in the free world you do. |
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Sat Apr 28, 2007 18:04 pm Why is the US the most powerful nation in the world? |
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Jamie : B4 the ppl's republic of china was founded Tibetan was a slave society.....serfs whose number occupied the overwhelming majority were cruely oppressed by aristocracy whose number just oppupied minority and some monasteries were the servents (running dogs)of aristocracy.... they resisted their rights to be deprived by serfs and the chinese army helped serfs get freedom?????? do you know it? do you know the true life of serf????? the aristocracy treated serfs just like they were treating an animal even worse......do you know it? and the ppl exiled overseas and propagandized the cruety of chinese government were those aristocracy.... do you know it?
Speaking of Tianwan issue......no way! chinese government as well as chinese ppl won't allow Taiwan to be independent forever ....If the resolution is so easy.... i think the civial war of the united states wouldn't have happened........why didn't you allow Southern United States to be independant at that time.... "thanks to" the united states (NO7 fleet ),Tianwan has not returned to mainland yet......ennnnnnnn! Furthmore different from the united states, china is a country of long consistant history.......thousands of years china has been a united country....from Qingshihuang emperor up to now, chinese ppl have never allowed any part of china to be indepantant just because of political reasons........never.......
this "positive" news would make Americans sick to their stomachs. It seems you americans'stomache sickness is very serious,,,,,hurry up to have some madicine! lol what you americans want to know is just like other countries are as dark as nights and ppl there are leading miserable lives ....ppl there are waiting for you to give a hand.... If there really happens something good , you don't believe at all....... isn't it a bias?????
Ps when i say Maybe i don't have right to comment on the politics of other countries......don''t you understand what i mean???? i hope you americans don't make irresponsible comments on China as well as othercountries' systems anymore....understand!!!!!!?????????
Do you really know the thousands of years 'history of china? do you inderstand the feeling of a nationality?????????
It seems the united states don't have his own nationality.........they robbed the land of local indians....... _________________ Try to change youself before you try to change others. |
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Sat Apr 28, 2007 18:13 pm Why is the US the most powerful nation in the world? |
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Hi Aleaf,
You might want to think about dropping the excessive use of punctuation marks (especially exclamation marks and question marks). Also, asking the question "Do you know it?" over and over weakens your arguments and makes you sound desperate. _________________ Test Of English for International Communication TOEIC Preparation & TOEIC Vocabulary |
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Sat Apr 28, 2007 18:32 pm Why is the US the most powerful nation in the world? |
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when i ask "Do you know it" doesn't mean i feel desperate in fact i want to express my suprise about the ignorance of them on chinese history......... seeing is believing, when you haven't gont to china how could you know a true china? Besides i really love punctuations!!!!!! PS If you think it is not good...... Mr. torsten, could you plz correct it for me? In fact my purpose is just to improve my english....hehehe _________________ Try to change youself before you try to change others. |
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Sat Apr 28, 2007 18:51 pm Why is the US the most powerful nation in the world? |
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Sat Apr 28, 2007 19:04 pm Why is the US the most powerful nation in the world? |
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Hi Aleaf,
If you want to improve your written English you might want to start by using a spell checker. Use it carefully though because there are so many homophones in English which can make the job difficult at times. I know Jamie might disagree but I still think that using a spell checker when typing a message greatly improves your writing skills. For example, your messages contain quite a lot typos and spelling errors that you easily could get rid of by using Firefox and its spell checker.
As for using exclamation marks, the following things look rather unprofessional and childish: ??? !!! etc. So if you really want to improve your English you should make it a habit of not using double exclamation marks and question marks. Using double exclamation marks is bit like shouting. Reminds of the way ill-behaved little kids start acting when they don't get their will.
By the way, I like the message in your signature but you might want to remove the spelling errors. _________________ Test Of English for International Communication TOEIC Preparation & TOEIC Vocabulary |
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Sat Apr 28, 2007 22:18 pm Why is the US the most powerful nation in the world? |
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| aleaf wrote: | | B4 the ppl's republic of china was founded Tibetan was a slave society.....serfs whose number occupied the overwhelming majority were cruely oppressed by aristocracy whose number just oppupied minority and some monasteries were the servents (running dogs)of aristocracy.... they resisted their rights to be deprived by serfs and the chinese army helped serfs get freedom?????? |
I'm perfectly aware of how people were living in Tibet at the time of the Chinese invasion of that country. However, I'm also perfectly aware that the Chinese army has never brought freedom to anyone -- quite the opposite.
In China, people are not allowed to travel freely. They can't travel abroad without permission, and they can't travel even outside their native provinces without permission. (If you disagree, I suggest we both fly to Sweden and discuss it face to face.) China does not let people live and work where they please. The Chinese government arrests people who are Catholic, Baptist, Buddhist or belong to other religions that are not controlled by the communist Chinese government. The government has its front churches that are supposed to replace the real ones, but they arrest people who are loyal to the real religions. A lot of manufacturing in China is done by political prisoners in camps and urban prisons. These prisoners can spend as long as 19 years in such jails without formal accusations being made. This is all well documented, even by people who have infiltrated the prisons and camps. One of the most disgusting things is that the Chinese government doesn't even allow women to give birth to their own children, if the officials don't want her to. I know a number of Chinese women who were forced by the communist party to have abortions that they didn't want to have. A few years ago, a person in China could even be arrested, beaten and sent to a camp because of the educational and economic level of his ancestors, even if he was poor himself and hadn't done anything wrong.
No, China never did and still does not bring freedom to anyone. I do know Chinese people who say that they have a good life there, but those are members of the privileged classes in China, and they don't have to deal much with the problems of ordinary people. Like all communist countries, today's China has an aristocracy.
| aleaf wrote: | Speaking of Tianwan issue......no way! chinese government as well as chinese ppl won't allow Taiwan to be independent forever ....If the resolution is so easy.... i think the civial war of the united states wouldn't have happened........why didn't you allow Southern United States to be independant at that time.... "thanks to" the united states (NO7 fleet ),Tianwan has not returned to mainland yet......ennnnnnnn! |
But your government does like to shoot missiles off the coast of Taiwan right before elections, as they did before the last presidential election. It bothers the communists that they have a free country next door, even though communist China is dependent on Taiwan's good economy.
Oh, yes. The Chinese love to bring up that comparison of Taiwan to the southern states of the US during the Civil War. They have been using it for at least 30 years. It's a bogus comparison, and I won't entertain it. For one thing, the southern states of the US had slavery and were fighting a war to defend it. Taiwan does not have slavery, but in communist China all citizens are basically slaves of the state. Your analogy is backwards.
| aleaf wrote: | | Furthmore different from the united states, china is a country of long consistant history.......thousands of years china has been a united country....from Qingshihuang emperor up to now, chinese ppl have never allowed any part of china to be indepantant just because of political reasons........never....... |
Taiwan was not part of China during the Han dynasty, and the mainland Chinese did not take much interest in controlling it until the 1500s.
And again, you haven't dealt with the contradiction of your opinions. You claim (falsely) that the North Koreans, the Vietnamese, the Cambodians, etc., chose their communist governments, and so you think they should have them. The people of Taiwan have chosen an independent capitalist democracy -- with free elections, which the North Koreans, Vietnamese and Cambodians did not have -- and you think people of Taiwan shouldn't have the government they chose.
So, if I understand you correctly, if a country is conquered by a genocidal communist army, then they freely chose that government and no one should overthrow it. But if the people of a country have free elections and choose a capitalist democracy with full human rights, a communist government should overthrow it. Do I understand you correctly? Do you see the contradition in this?
| aleaf wrote: | | Ps when i say Maybe i don't have right to comment on the politics of other countries......don''t you understand what i mean???? i hope you americans don't make irresponsible comments on China as well as othercountries' systems anymore....understand!!!!!!????????? |
I think you make plenty of irresponsible, uninformed remarks yourself, but we in the West believe in free debate. You, being a loyal communist, do not believe in freedom of speech or in free exchange of ideas, and so you want some of us to shut up.
You also don't have free access to the full range of scholarship on political philosophy, economics or on the history of China. You get it only from party-approved sources, which are quite distorted, and your government even filters your Internet access. |
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Sun Apr 29, 2007 7:39 am Why is the US the most powerful nation in the world? |
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However, I'm also perfectly aware that the Chinese army has never brought freedom to anyone -- quite the opposite. They can't travel abroad without permission, and they can't travel even outside their native provinces without permission. As far as the information I know, it is not true. The city I live in there are lots of People from Tibet and Xingjiang Autonomous Region. They can work anywhere and I never heard them complained about it. But out of a responsible attitude maybe I can consult them next time. I really don’t know how you got those information even we common Chinese don’t know. Are these information reliable? Besides I want to point out that compared to tens of years ago, living standards there have been improved and are being improved at a rapid rate. Central government pay much attention to minorities and give special subsidies for agricultural and industrial construction in those regions. My aunt who lives in Tibet gets a higher pension than my mother . She told me that local people were much more richer than her. Besides a society will be perfected gradually. It is over 100 years after the civil war of the united states When Martin Luther King, Jr. delivered the speech “”I have a dream” on 28 August 1963, at the Lincoln Memorial, Washington D.C. And up until now the discrimination has not been eliminated. China does not let people live and work where they please. The Chinese government arrests people who are Catholic, Baptist, Buddhist or belong to other religions that are not controlled by the communist Chinese government. Only those who undermine social stability and break peace in the name of religion will be arrested. As far as the people I know who are really royal to their religions have freedom to their religions. As long as you don’t have political purpose, anyone has the right to choose any religion. I know the united states is such a country who has 100% freedom that some religion groups such as Children of God, Branch Davidian, Heaven's Gate, The People's Temple had overran. Shouldn’t a country take measures to prevent miserable affairs from happening? In such circumstances, I believe common people’s lives are much more important than the religions with ulterior motives. One of the most disgusting things is that the Chinese government doesn't even allow women to give birth to their own children, if the officials don't want her to. I know a number of Chinese women who were forced by the communist party to have abortions that they didn't want to have. A few years ago, a person in China could even be arrested, beaten and sent to a camp because of the educational and economic level of his ancestors, even if he was poor himself and hadn't done anything wrong.I don’t believe a person like you who live in a rich country can understand one child policy. China is a poor country of huge population. Many people don’t have the ability to afford their children good life and education. If we don’t focus more the qualities of Chinese people , china will become poor and poor. I don’t believe any other countries are willing to raise these excessive children. Chinese government asks Han nationality not including people who live in village and minorities, (in fact farmers are allowed to have a second children if their first one is a girl, because they need labor to farm.) to have only 1 child. If anyone breaks the policy it means unfair to the others. That is the reason why someone was obliged to have abortions. There are two children in my family, my brother and i. I had thought if had another 2 or 3 siblings, I wouldn’t have opportunity to go to university and now I were at home without a job because of low education. Which life do you think is better for Chinese? Freedom to have as many children as they want but live a continuing worsen life and one child policy. My grandmother had freedom to have children in fact she had 8 . My father told me when he was a child he was so poor that he had to wear a straw hat to keep warm in winter night? Can you imagine it? China never did and still does not bring freedom to anyone. I do know Chinese people who say that they have a good life there, but those are members of the privileged classes in China, and they don't have to deal much with the problems of ordinary people. Like all communist countries, today's China has an aristocracy.I am just an ordinary Chinese and don’t belong to the privileged class and I am not a communist as well. I just get a mouth- to hand pay every month. In fact my income is under the average. Quite the contrary, I think the reason that today's China has an aristocracy is that china is not a real socialism country as it is tens of years ago. It bothers the communists that they have a free country next door, even though communist China is dependent on Taiwan's good economy. We and Taiwan is win-win partnership. Mutual-benefit. They have been using it for at least 30 years. It's a bogus comparison, and I won't entertain it. For one thing, the southern states of the US had slavery and were fighting a war to defend it. Taiwan does not have slavery, but in communist China all citizens are basically slaves of the state. Your analogy is backwards.You are not a Chinese and never gone to china.As one of the slaved ones I don’t feel I am being slaved. Taiwan was not part of China during the Han dynasty, and the mainland Chinese did not take much interest in controlling it until the 1500s. When Jiang Ke-sherk retreated to Taiwan around 1949 and founded government there, the united states never put forward any disapproval. Because you know Taiwan has been a part of China. have chosen an independent capitalist democracy -- with free elections, which the North Koreans, Vietnamese and Cambodians did not have -- and you think people of Taiwan shouldn't have the government they chose. They also choosed the freedom to fight each other in their Legislative Council. a genocidal communist army:.
pS:If you don’t have concrete material don’t use the word Genocidal so easy. Communist army is an army composed of ordinary people. In fact my father was one member of them. If you say this army is genocidal, it means you are ignorant to Chinese army.
What I have said before is totally my opinion and I drew the conclusion from my real life instead of from media and textbook. I write through my feel to the present china. Is What you have said the facts you see by yourself?
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