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Lenin said that there are a lot of "useful idiots" in the West, and every force that has battled against the US since his time has been aware that the propaganda front is the most important part of a war against the US. You see this happening now in the Iraq situation.
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Right on.
During Vietnam there was Hanoi Jane, with Iraq there is Cindy Sheehan -- someone leading the anti-war (read: anti-US effort) movement.
Do we hear how many terrorists/insurgents we've killed... what the insurgent-to-American death ratio is?
No.
Do we hear about the good things that are being done over there, when good things do happen (and they must)? At BNA I recently ran into some soldiers coming back from Iraq. I asked them how it was going, and they gave a positive (if vague... by necessity, I suppose) answer.
Do we hear about the good things on the news outlets?
No.
Do we hear about every single US death?
Absolutely.
Much has been made of multinational corporations owning the media outlets. That may be, but news is STILL distributed by news people, and news people are almost invariably liberal... and invariably anti-war, the second any opposition rears its head. IE, doves. Hawks under sunny skies, maybe, but doves/weak-stomachs once the bullets start to fly.
That's just the reporting of the war in the US, by US journalists. I hope other countries are getting more balanced coverage.
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| #63 (permalink) Wed May 02, 2007 12:37 pm Why is the US the most powerful nation in the world? |
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Torsten:
Chinese are allowed to travel any countries now. As long as a tourist enrolls in a tour group, the travel agency will do everything for the tourist.
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| #64 (permalink) Wed May 02, 2007 13:29 pm Why is the US the most powerful nation in the world? |
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Do you have to be in a tour group, or can you travel on your own (solo)?
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| #65 (permalink) Sat May 19, 2007 15:26 pm Why is the US the most powerful nation in the world? |
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| aleaf wrote: |
However, I'm also perfectly aware that the Chinese army has never brought freedom to anyone -- quite the opposite.
They can't travel abroad without permission, and they can't travel even outside their native provinces without permission.
As far as the information I know, it is not true. The city I live in there are lots of People from Tibet and Xingjiang Autonomous Region. They can work anywhere and I never heard them complained about it. But out of a responsible attitude maybe I can consult them next time. I really don’t know how you got those information even we common Chinese don’t know. Are these information reliable? |
I got this information from Chinese people. Some of them have never been allowed to leave their province, because they needed a visa to travel to other parts of China and had never been given one.
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| It is over 100 years after the civil war of the united states When Martin Luther King, Jr. delivered the speech “”I have a dream” on 28 August 1963, at the Lincoln Memorial, Washington D.C. And up until now the discrimination has not been eliminated. |
However, race relations have progressed enough that many important black politicians think that discrimination is no longer the main impediment to the progress of blacks. Many companies, and state and local governments, have policies that discriminate in favor of blacks and against whites.
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China does not let people live and work where they please. The Chinese government arrests people who are Catholic, Baptist, Buddhist or belong to other religions that are not controlled by the communist Chinese government.
Only those who undermine social stability and break peace in the name of religion will be arrested. As far as the people I know who are really royal to their religions have freedom to their religions. As long as you don’t have political purpose, anyone has the right to choose any religion. |
The problem with this explanation is that anything that is not explicitly approved and controlled by a communist government is said to undermine social stability and break peace and is therefore illegal. This means that the Chinese National Catholic Association, and its Baptist and other equivalents, are legal, because the state controls them, and the atheistic Chinese government chooses the priests and bishops. People who belong to the real Catholic church, or the real Protestant religions have to meet in houses for their religious services, and many of them are arrested and serve long prison sentences. This has been amply documented, and there is plenty of eyewitness testimony. I have visited communist countries where even yoga and tai chi chuan were illegal, because they involve philosophies that are not controlled by the communist state.
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| I know the united states is such a country who has 100% freedom that some religion groups such as Children of God, Branch Davidian, Heaven's Gate, The People's Temple had overran. Shouldn’t a country take measures to prevent miserable affairs from happening? In such circumstances, I believe common people’s lives are much more important than the religions with ulterior motives. |
You're making another one of those absurd Chinese comparisons. You're claiming that the Chinese government oppressing the Catholics and the Baptists is the same as the US government raiding the compound of the Branch Davidians. This is really ridiculous. People who left the Branch Davidian cult reported that they had been stockpiling weapons, practicing polygamy (which is illegal) and sexually molesting children. Government agents went to see if this was true, and the group killed several of them. Comparing this to the Chinese arresting Catholic priests and Evangelical ministers is really foolish, because the cases have nothing to do with each other.
Note also that the Heaven's Gate group was allowed to operate freely, and so were the other two cults. The US government intervenes in religious groups when there is criminal activity, such as theft, illegal drugs, sexual molestation, and other such activity, but it doesn't bother them just because their beliefs are a bit strange. In China, mainline worldwide religious groups are persecuted just because their beliefs differ with those of the government.
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One of the most disgusting things is that the Chinese government doesn't even allow women to give birth to their own children, if the officials don't want her to. I know a number of Chinese women who were forced by the communist party to have abortions that they didn't want to have. A few years ago, a person in China could even be arrested, beaten and sent to a camp because of the educational and economic level of his ancestors, even if he was poor himself and hadn't done anything wrong.I don’t believe a person like you who live in a rich country can understand one child policy. China is a poor country of huge population. Many people don’t have the ability to afford their children good life and education. If we don’t focus more the qualities of Chinese people , china will become poor and poor. I don’t believe any other countries are willing to raise these excessive children. Chinese government asks Han nationality not including people who live in village and minorities, (in fact farmers are allowed to have a second children if their first one is a girl, because they need labor to farm.) to have only 1 child. If anyone breaks the policy it means unfair to the others. That is the reason why someone was obliged to have abortions. There are two children in my family, my brother and i. I had thought if had another 2 or 3 siblings, I wouldn’t have opportunity to go to university and now I were at home without a job because of low education.
Which life do you think is better for Chinese? Freedom to have as many children as they want but live a continuing worsen life and one child policy. My grandmother had freedom to have children in fact she had 8 . My father told me when he was a child he was so poor that he had to wear a straw hat to keep warm in winter night? Can you imagine it? |
I love the way you bring up these old, well-known arguments of the Chinese government and think we can't have heard them. We have heard them for decades, but they aren't believable, because they simply don't make sense.
Your justification of the one-child and forced-abortion policy in China is almost exactly the same as the argument used to justify deer hunting in my state: There's not enough food, so if we kill most of them, the ones that are still alive won't be hungry.
Communist China was never able to provide a decent level of prosperity for the majority of its people, as Taiwan has done. One way the communist Chinese chose to solve the problem was various genocides and purges of "enemies of the state". There's a little problem with killing people this way, though, which is that the international community notices it, and the government comes in for a lot of criticism around the world. It gives a country a barbaric image. The one-child policy solves this problem to some extent, because forcing women to have abortions kills people before they're on the public's radar screen, and it can even result in praise by various feminist groups and factions in the United Nations that are against human rights.
Your arguments simply point to the fact that the Chinese government regards human beings as animals or a type of state property that has no basic rights and can be destroyed at the pleasure of the government. In fact, people from China have argued just that to me, that human beings are state property and that the government has the right to do anything it wishes with them, even kill them. Most of the world considers such an idea to be barbaric.
You said that China now has an aristocracy because it has veered away from communist principles. This means you don't realize that all communist societies, even China in 1955, have their own aristocracies. Do you think that members of the ruling class of communist China have ever had as much trouble getting food or luxury goods as ordinary Chinese people? |
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| #66 (permalink) Mon May 21, 2007 6:24 am Why is the US the most powerful nation in the world? |
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I asked local tibetan pplthe issue you mentioned today. what you said was not accurate. They feel surpried about it.(if only you saw the expression of them at that time. )They said they were allowed to get anywhere in china just as chinese ppl in other provinces.
Some chinese ppl abroad lied in order to get sympathy of foreigers and Green Card. Because they know what those foreigners are willing to hear. In an international coference held in USA,a chinese middle school teacher gave a speech in the conference in front of a huge crowd of ppl from all over the world. He said there were three Great Cultural Revolutions In chinese history.And nobody questioned it. But he lied because he knew if he said something bad about china, those foreigners would believe he was brave and had the couragement to reveal the darkness of china. But those chinese are two-faced sons of bitches. i feel shameful about them.
The possibilities are
1. He lied
2. you misunderstood what he said( you took him wrong.)
3. you hope what he said was true.(you are certain hope what he said was true.because you knew nothing about china . judged from what you said before, i drew the conclusion that you have bias and hostalities on china. I am sure about it now. 100%)
If you come to china one day you will see there are real churches in china and some ppl go to church regularly. But telll you the truth Most of the chinese don't care about religions. They go to church just out of curiousity just like a tour.
I have visited communist countries where even yoga and tai chi chuan were illegal, because they involve philosophies that are not controlled by the communist state.
It is absolutely not china. Ridiculous! why? i go to gym regulary.There are yoga, Pilates,Tichi and unmerous physical exercises which i don't know the english names of them.
In China, mainline worldwide religious groups are persecuted just because their beliefs differ with those of the government.
mainline worldwide religious groups i have never heard this english name? but if you tell me the chinese translation of it i will.
Communist China was never able to provide a decent level of prosperity for the majority of its people.
Quite the reverse is true.
Communist chian has been trying to provide a decent life for the majority of chinese ppl.Before PRC was founded just a minotity of chinese led a good life and china was in a state of abject poverty on the whole. After the PRC was founded china has tried to devlope its economy under the sanctions of foreign countries, But we managd to go through the hardest period and now most of chinese are leading a prosperous life. (BTW maybe you won't believe what i said here. Doesn't matter.
The carrying out of the One-child policy has its speacial historical background. At the very begining even many chinese couldn't accept it. But the fact tells us the policy is correct at least up to now(of course it takes many side effects as well.).But i believe in the future it will be called off(banned) when the economic situation gets better. but not now. i think if a child is born but has no money to get education and food , it is unfair to him.It is better to that we use the limited energy and resources on less ppl so that they have the opportunity to lead a better life. It is a kind of short-cut. Facts have proved that we do developed our economy in a shorter period compared to those without this policy. I believe with the improvement of ppl' quality china will advance in a faster pace.(Of course you can contradict that it is the fault of communist because they won't give good life to the majority of chinese ppl) why should we explain our policy to foreign countries? It is the policy of ours. If we chinese accept it, why should we care what they say?Ridiculous.
BTW in fact many chinese won't have children more than 1 even if they are allowed to have more.we have get used to having 1 child only in fact. Giving birth to a child is a suffer. and bring them up even a harder thing.
A survey:
One day my profeesor went to USA and entered a classroom full of teenagers. An american student said something like:"there is no human rights in china because female infant will be killed by the chinese government." Do you have the same opinion as him?
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| #67 (permalink) Mon May 21, 2007 8:14 am Why is the US the most powerful nation in the world? |
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"I've never seen a Country was so much hate as We have,the rest of the world hates us,after the world trade centre
catastrophe ,for the first time ever,the world wanted to help us,first time We needed help,We could have been the most popular nation ever and We blew the opportunity.."
Yesterday I watched an interviw with one US politician and I totally 100 % agree with him..
The USA is a most hated Country ever !
I can't say I hate this Country,but First thing comes to my mind ,when I heard the word "USA" is -Violance
and I'd like to say ,that- I hate the prezident of USA...
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| #68 (permalink) Mon May 21, 2007 12:18 pm Why is the US the most powerful nation in the world? |
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Che Gevara:
I am a chinese. as far as i know most chinese have a hate-and-love feelings on USA. On one hand we chinese respect the unprecedented success the United states has achieved since the great country was founded in 1776. Lots of experience there is worth abosrbing by us. But on the other hand we dislike what the United States has done to us and other countries as well.
I remember one chinese plane was crashed down by an american reconnaissance aircraft several years ago in out trritory when cliton was the USA president. And one chinese pilot died in the crash. ALL chinese were full of hatred for the USA. It was said that the child and the wife of the pilot wrote a letter to the President.
Some Americans are friendly to china and interested in chinese culture and some others hate china maybe look down upon us. in fact there is few americans who is familiar with china.
you said you hated your president. But wasn't he elected by american ppl?
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| #69 (permalink) Tue May 22, 2007 22:35 pm Why is the US the most powerful nation in the world? |
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The US is not the most hated country ever.
If it were, we wouldn't be the target for so many immigrants. People might not like us trying to help Iraq, or the way we're doing it, but we're still pretty popular among those looking for somewhere else to call home.
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| #70 (permalink) Tue May 22, 2007 22:44 pm Why is the US the most powerful nation in the world? |
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Yes, Bush won in 2000 (Florida statutes were upheld; even after all the votes were recounted again and again, Bush still won Florida). In 2004 he had the majority and won much more easily than in 2000.
The success or failure of Iraq, ultimately, will have a great bearing on his legacy. I think he should get marks for the improvement of the economy (especially given the tech bust and 9/11, which brought it way down)... aside from the outcome of Iraq. Taxes needed to be cut, and he (and Congress) cut them... and the economy has improved ever since.
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| #72 (permalink) Wed May 23, 2007 9:52 am Why is the US the most powerful nation in the world? |
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In my opinion,US is a target for so many immigrants,only because they think they can earn money,and make their life better...
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| #73 (permalink) Wed May 23, 2007 10:06 am Why is the US the most powerful nation in the world? |
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Hi Che,
Most immigrants move to the US not only because they think they can earn money and build a life but because the conditions in the US are actually much better than in most of the countries the immigrants come from.
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| #74 (permalink) Wed May 23, 2007 10:38 am Why is the US the most powerful nation in the world? |
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Hi Torsten
better Conditions= better life or part of better life
Don't you think so?
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