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I see favoritism as a kind of corruption, too. There was an article in the local paper the other day about a local council woman who had given a job in the city government to her niece. In doing so, she had passed over other applicants who were far more qualified. In fact, the niece lacked a number of the required skills as stated in the job description. It took less than two weeks for this to come to light. The woman was forced to fire her niece and fill the position with someone having the required background and skills.
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| Sat Jun 23, 2007 17:17 pm How corrupt is your country? |
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Hi,
In the type of situation Amy describes
| Quote: | | There was an article in the local paper the other day about a local council woman who had given a job in the city government to her niece. In doing so, she had passed over other applicants who were far more qualified. |
I think it is important to allow other applicants to appeal the decision.
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| Sat Jun 23, 2007 19:16 pm How corrupt is your country? |
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| Yankee wrote: | | I see favoritism as a kind of corruption, too. There was an article in the local paper the other day about a local council woman who had given a job in the city government to her niece. In doing so, she had passed over other applicants who were far more qualified. In fact, the niece lacked a number of the required skills as stated in the job description. It took less than two weeks for this to come to light. The woman was forced to fire her niece and fill the position with someone having the required background and skills. |
Well, of course. There's a term for it. That council woman was engaged in nepotism, not mere favoritism. It's a crime in most places. |
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| Sat Jun 23, 2007 19:30 pm How corrupt is your country? |
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Hi Jamie
Well, it seems it wasn't viewed as a crime in this case. There was no mention of the woman being charged with anything at all. She was simply ordered to fire her niece.
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| Sat Jun 23, 2007 21:07 pm How corrupt is your country? |
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It's even weirder when the nepotism is being perpetrated by the head of HR. I know of a case where a city was searching for someone to head a refugee program, had received two r?sum?s from people who had actually run refugee programs, but didn't interview either of them. They instead hired a friend of the head of HR, who had never done anything having to do with refugees and had previously been a fundraiser for the local symphony.
On the other hand, sometimes the unqualified person is a better hire than someone who has all the paper qualifications but is lazy and corrupt himself. The unqualified person can grow into the position, but the lazy, corrupt person may not ever grow out of being a slob. |
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| Sat Jun 23, 2007 22:13 pm How corrupt is your country? |
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| Jamie (K) wrote: | | On the other hand, sometimes the unqualified person is a better hire than someone who has all the paper qualifications but is lazy and corrupt himself. The unqualified person can grow into the position, but the lazy, corrupt person may not ever grow out of being a slob. |
I agree with you on that, Jamie, which is one reason I made a point of referring to skills and background rather than simply "official" pieces of paper. 
Take teachers, for example. I've met lots of good teachers, both certified and uncertified. But I've also met more than just a few "papered" (certified) ESL teachers who really had no business doing what they were doing for a living. Naturally, I've met uncertified ESL teachers who were terrible, too.
The same is true of managers in companies. In many cases, it's the companies themselves who are responsible for having the wrong people in management. It's really sad when someone is "promoted" out of what they do fantastically well and into a management position for which they don't have the skills or ability necessary for success -- and then end up being fired.
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| Sat Jun 23, 2007 22:20 pm How corrupt is your country? |
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| My life has a different pattern. Usually, I'm offered a job doing something I have no paper qualifications for. I do well at it, but just as a formality for the future, I get official qualifications. However, by the time I get those qualifications, I've already been hired to do something else that I'm not officially qualified for. Then the cycle starts over again, though several more positions. |
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| Mon Jul 16, 2007 22:21 pm How corrupt is your country? |
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| I'm not good at politics, but even I know that Russia has a very high level of corruption! I live here and I know. Unfortunately, it concerns universities. According to the law every university has budget places, but in fact there are only a few budget places, everything else is sold out a year ago!! And this is terrible, I believe! There is nothing to do with it! I'm saying about prestigious universities of Moscow and St.Petersburg, but I guess the situation is the same in really good universities of other cities... |
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| Tue Jul 17, 2007 9:53 am How corrupt is your country? |
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Hi!
Apropos corruption! What do you think of this?:
Recently there had been accidents in two nuclear plants in Germany. In both cases fire damaged parts of the plants and both plants belong to the same energy provider. When police started investigation concerning the accidents (a quite usual procedure, don?t you think so?) the provider refused cooporation for a couple of days. First when the pressure of politic/community got too high they came along with the plea that communication inside the German department hadn?t been quite well! As a result of that the concern fired the German General Manager and assigned the blame to him.
Now, what I wonder is, mostly when there is an investigation regarding accidents it takes month? before investigators can assign the blame to anyone or anywhat, if at all! How could the energy provider figure out the culprit that easily in this case?
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| Tue Jul 17, 2007 17:55 pm How corrupt is your country? |
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| Che Gevara wrote: | Konstantin
My negative attitude to Russian Government,not Country Russia...and have many reasons... Do you want to be reminded ?
What do you mean which goods I can not count ,too many...
Most known Georgian wine ,Georgian mineral waters...
Every Russian knows there is a great corruption in Russian Government,Court,Police e.t.c
Some of them confess,others don't .. Do you ? |
I'm sorry but Georgia has always been the most currupted country in the world. You can buy all the officials for money there, even the President. Russia is also a currupted country but again due to guests from differnt countries of CIS come to Russia and start business there. I know what i say. |
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| Tue Jul 17, 2007 20:33 pm How corrupt is your country? |
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Is entrepreneurialism picking up in Russia? It could not have been easy to move from a communist/socialist (planned) economy to one that permits free enterprise.
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| Wed Jul 18, 2007 2:13 am How corrupt is your country? |
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| prezbucky wrote: | | Is entrepreneurialism picking up in Russia? It could not have been easy to move from a communist/socialist (planned) economy to one that permits free enterprise. |
I have not been to Russia, but I lived through and witnessed the transition in Czechoslovakia, and I can tell you it's like watching sausage being made. Czechs who've gone back tell me the transition is not complete -- largely in people's minds -- almost 20 years later. |
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| Sat Jul 21, 2007 10:49 am How corrupt is your country? |
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| I wrote: | Hi!
Apropos corruption! What do you think of this?:
Recently there had been accidents in two nuclear plants in Germany. In both cases fire damaged parts of the plants and both plants belong to the same energy provider. When police started investigation concerning the accidents (a quite usual procedure, don?t you think so?) the provider refused cooporation for a couple of days. First when the pressure of politic/community got too high they came along with the plea that communication inside the German department hadn?t been quite well! As a result of that the concern fired the German General Manager and assigned the blame to him.
Now, what I wonder is, mostly when there is an investigation regarding accidents it takes month? before investigators can assign the blame to anyone or anywhat, if at all! How could the energy provider figure out the culprit that easily in this case? |
Hi!
If anybody is interested in the continuance of that story here it is:
This morning my daily newspaper (not a socialistic one) reported that the fired manager have got a salary of 3.5 million ?s, calculated from the following facts. He had earned an amount of 1 million ?s per year and his contract would have lasted 3 and a half years still.
Everything is fine now. The company have sacrificed a pawn, the pawn don?t need the wellfare and the politic is out of the woods. No matter what danger and damage the people and nature will suffer from later.
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Sorry, that
But don?t be afraid, It?s not my intention to raise a political discussion like there had been in the past.
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