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Expression: "go one better" #1 (permalink) Wed Jun 13, 2007 5:02 am   Expression: "go one better"
 

Hi,

Quote:
When other officers had followed his urging and introduced loyalty oaths of their own, he went them one better by making every one who came to his intelligence tent sign two loyalty oaths, then three, then four;


1. Could you tell me if 'he went them one better' is usual? I am familiar with 'go one better' but have never realized another word could go into it.

Quote:
Each time Captain Black forged ahead of his competitors, he swung upon them scornfully for their failure to follow his example. Each time they followed his example, he retreated with concern and racked his brain for some new stratagem that would enable him to turn upon them scornfully again.


2. What do 'swing upon' and 'turn upon' mean? I could feel a sense of 'confront upper-handed' in both of them but have no idea if they are of common usage.

Quote:
Up at Group, Colonel Cathcart had already begun wondering what was going on.
"It's that idiot Black off on a patriotism binge," Colonel Korn reported with a smile.


3. Could I suggest it = who began a patriotism binge?

Thank you!

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"go one better" #2 (permalink) Wed Jun 13, 2007 7:21 am   "go one better"
 

Dear Hihao,
"Went them one better" seems to be a normal usage. Actually the complete expression is "go (someone) one better". The example that dictionary.com which is based on Random House gives for this expression is: The neighbors went us one better by buying two new cars.
Hope this has helped.
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"go one better" #3 (permalink) Wed Jun 13, 2007 8:41 am   "go one better"
 

Hi Haihao,

The expression 'go one better' brings to my mind a word coined some years ago -oneupmanship whereby someone tries to outdo someone else particularly with regard to possessions.

As for 'swing/turn on/upon' these both suggest an angry confrontation in terms of behaviour/attitude and obviously can be used literally as when an animal prepares to attack.

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"go one better" #4 (permalink) Wed Jun 13, 2007 9:39 am   "go one better"
 

Thank you, Azita, for your interpretation and taking the trouble to look it up with a dictionary. It really helped.

Thank you again, Alan, for your instructions. "Oneupmanship" is really an interesting word, which I got to know for the first time.

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"go one better" #5 (permalink) Wed Jun 13, 2007 11:07 am   "go one better"
 

You're welcome, Hihao. I learned from your question, too. Thank you.
Oneupmanship was new for me as well. Thanks, Alan.
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"go one better" #6 (permalink) Wed Jun 13, 2007 12:19 pm   "go one better"
 

By the way, Azita, could you shed some light on my 3rd question?
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"go one better" #7 (permalink) Wed Jun 13, 2007 17:49 pm   "go one better"
 

Haihao --

In your third selection, it's Black who went off on a patriotism binge. A binge is when you do to much or consume too much of something. Once I saw a TV show where a mother was worried about her son eating a lot of bananas. She said, "All I know is that the last time someone in this house got sick, it started with a banana binge!" We could say that her son had gone off on a banana binge.

As for "go someone one better", here are the initial lyrics to an old American hit about drag racing. See if you can understand it:

Quote:
I was cruisin' in my Stingray late one night,
When an XKE pulled up on the right
He rolled down the window of his shiny new Jag,
And challenged me then and there to a drag

I said "You're on buddy -- my mill's running fine,
Let's come off the line now at Sunset and Vine
But I'll go you one better, if you've got the nerve,
Let's race all the way -- to Dead Man's Curve"
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"go one better" #8 (permalink) Wed Jun 13, 2007 23:10 pm   "go one better"
 

Hi Jamie,

Thank you for your paraphrase again and the lyrics, which pictured me a good and old American car life! (only in my imagination)

I suppose 'XKE' and 'Jag' refer to the same car but have no idea what really they are. Is XKE a type and Jag a Jaguar?
Also, does 'you're on buddy' mean 'you got a rival' and 'my mill' = 'my machine/car'?
Just to make sure, does 'come off the line' sound like 'start running from the balkline' = start the drag?

Sorry for all these additional questions. Smile

Thank you!

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"go one better" #9 (permalink) Thu Jun 14, 2007 3:21 am   "go one better"
 

Yes, Haihao, you're right about those things. An XKE is a really nice model of Jaguar from the 1960s, when the song came out. You can google a photo of one. "You're on, buddy!" means, "I accept your challenge, buddy!" "My mill" means the car, or more specifically probably the engine. "Come off the line" means to start drag racing from the white line where you're supposed to stop for the traffic light.

The song is "Dead Man's Curve" by Jan & Dean, the rest of the lyrics are easy to find online, and you can download the song from iTunes or some other service, if you want.
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Expression: "go one better" #10 (permalink) Fri Jun 15, 2007 3:13 am   Expression: "go one better"
 

Very interesting. Thank you, Jamie. And thanks for the questions that taught me so much, Hihao. Sorry I wasn't around when you asked me, but I am sure I never could have put it as beautifully and enlighteningly as Jamie did!
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