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#17 (permalink) Thu Jun 28, 2007 3:50 am Have you ever learned 'martial arts'? |
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My Oxford American Dictionary has this definition under removed. It says "separated by a particular number of steps of descent : his second cousin once removed."
Here is how it works, as I understand it.
You and your uncle's children are first cousins. You and your first cousin's children are first cousins once removed. You and your first cousin's grandchildren are first cousins twice removed. And so on.
Your children and your first cousin's children are second cousins. Your children and your first cousin's grandchildren are second cousins once removed. It goes on like that.
I have a cousin in my city who is approximately my age, but he is in a later generation. My great-grandfather is his great-great-grandfather. My father is the first cousin of his grandfather. His father and I are second cousins, so this cousin who is my age is my second cousin once removed. His son is my second cousin twice removed.
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:shock: That's really confusting. :roll: :cry: _________________ If you want to change the world, be one of the change. |
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#18 (permalink) Thu Jun 28, 2007 11:20 am Have you ever learned 'martial arts'? |
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Hi,
Speaking of cousins, we might like to know these as well:
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cousin-in-law third cousin Cousin Jack kissing cousin parallel cousin Scotch cousin
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#19 (permalink) Thu Jun 28, 2007 11:59 am Have you ever learned 'martial arts'? |
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| The only ones among these expressions that I know or have used are "third cousin" (who is the child of your parents' second cousin) and kissing cousin (usually pronounced kissin' cousin). A kissin' cousin is a cousin who is distantly enough related that it's legal to marry him or her. |
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Jamie (K) I'm a Communicator ;-)
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#20 (permalink) Thu Jun 28, 2007 12:10 pm Have you ever learned 'martial arts'? |
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"Kissing cousin" sounds strange... _________________ Learning is a sacred engagement. |
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#21 (permalink) Thu Jun 28, 2007 12:22 pm Have you ever learned 'martial arts'? |
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| Ahmadov wrote: |
| "Kissing cousin" sounds strange... |
It's not strange. Anyone who is your third cousin or beyond is legal to marry in the US. It's definitely not weirder than in the Middle East, where people routinely marry their FIRST cousins. Yipes! |
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Jamie (K) I'm a Communicator ;-)
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#22 (permalink) Thu Jun 28, 2007 12:57 pm Have you ever learned 'martial arts'? |
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| Jamie (K) wrote: |
| Ahmadov wrote: |
| "Kissing cousin" sounds strange... |
It's not strange. Anyone who is your third cousin or beyond is legal to marry in the US. It's definitely not weirder than in the Middle East, where people routinely marry their FIRST cousins. Yipes! |
When I said "strange" I meant the phrase not the action because "kissing" should not mean sex only. However, I agree that marrying to first cousins are weird and I should admit that it takes place in my society as well. _________________ Learning is a sacred engagement. |
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#23 (permalink) Thu Jun 28, 2007 14:23 pm Have you ever learned 'martial arts'? |
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Rosalisa
Kung Fu is another good all-around art to learn. It focuses more on striking (kicks, punches) than does Jujitsu. If I'm not mistaken, there is also a lot of emphasis on pressure points. I think (though am not certain..) that Bruce Lee was a Kung Fu master.
The white-bearded dude in Kill Bill (I think it was Volume 1) is a Kung Fu master (well, that character is, anyway). _________________ Billie Jean is not my lover. Hee. |
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#24 (permalink) Thu Jun 28, 2007 14:33 pm Have you ever learned 'martial arts'? |
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Jamie
Is the fighting application of Aikido (more or less) all about redirecting your opponent's energy/motion against him?
I've seen enough Seagal movies to know that the bad guys always start the action, and Seagal always seems to take their motion and turn it against them. I'm assuming that he's incorporating his own knowledge of Aikido into his battle sequences (as opposed to some other martial art).
Is there grappling in Aikido? During Jujitsu sparring, my aim was to get my opponent on the ground -- it was sort of Judo-like in that approach. _________________ Billie Jean is not my lover. Hee. |
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#25 (permalink) Thu Jun 28, 2007 14:51 pm Have you ever learned 'martial arts'? |
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| prezbucky wrote: |
| Is the fighting application of Aikido (more or less) all about redirecting your opponent's energy/motion against him? |
Yes.
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| I've seen enough Seagal movies to know that the bad guys always start the action, and Seagal always seems to take their motion and turn it against them. I'm assuming that he's incorporating his own knowledge of Aikido into his battle sequences (as opposed to some other martial art). |
Aikido has no attacks. This is probably why the bad guys always start it.
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| Is there grappling in Aikido? During Jujitsu sparring, my aim was to get my opponent on the ground -- it was sort of Judo-like in that approach. |
Aikido is derived from daito-ryu aikijujitsu, so you can see that it's a form of jujitsu that has had the fighting removed. The main idea, at least physically, is to use the person's momentum, joints and sometimes nerves to get him to the ground and usually pin him. However, the style I have been taught is so removed from fighting that the two "opponents" are called "partners", and they're considered to be cooperating to create the technique.
Here you can see some videos of my teacher and his son doing various techniques: http://www.genyokan.org/ If you can understand my teacher's English, you can get some small idea of the philosophical underpinnings.
I have seen only one Steven Segal movie, and I noticed that a lot of Larry-Moe-and-Curly crackling, crunching sound effects were added. Please understand that you won't hear this when people normally do aikido. |
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#26 (permalink) Thu Jun 28, 2007 14:57 pm Have you ever learned 'martial arts'? |
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looks like fun -- bars, locks, leverage, redirecting motion
neat, thanks for the link. _________________ Billie Jean is not my lover. Hee. |
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Prezbucky I'm a Communicator ;-)

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#27 (permalink) Thu Jun 28, 2007 15:10 pm Have you ever learned 'martial arts'? |
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http://www.stanford.edu/group/jujitsu/Video/index.html
The sparring move I put on the sensei (the one he allowed me to do, that is...) is in the third video down from the top.
Differences:
1) We were facing each other when i took his wrist and initiated the hip-throw.
2) I, of course, did not keep the wrist and step over the arm, as is shown in the video. That's the resulting arm bar/hold I'm talking about, the one I should have fallen back into once he hit the ground. _________________ Billie Jean is not my lover. Hee. |
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Prezbucky I'm a Communicator ;-)

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#28 (permalink) Thu Jun 28, 2007 15:14 pm Have you ever learned 'martial arts'? |
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| We have the same one in aikido. |
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Jamie (K) I'm a Communicator ;-)
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#29 (permalink) Thu Jun 28, 2007 15:16 pm Have you ever learned 'martial arts'? |
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Because we were facing each other, my hip throw was a bit different.
I took his right wrist with my left hand. At this point we were about four feet apart.
I bridged that gap by jumping "into" him and twisting my body 90 degrees to my left. At the same time, I crowched down a bit to make my center of gravity lower than his.
His right wrist is still in my left hand.
My right hip is just below his waist.
My right arm is behind his back (in other words, wrapped around him).
I pull on his right arm, drive my right hip into him, and use my right arm and torso to complete the throw.
This combined effort launches him into the air and turns him upside-down. I still have his right wrist.
He lands on his back.
I still have his right wrist.
Now I (ideally) step over his right arm, fall back, and voila. _________________ Billie Jean is not my lover. Hee. |
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#30 (permalink) Thu Jun 28, 2007 15:24 pm Have you ever learned 'martial arts'? |
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Jamie, your message slipped my last emission.
I meant that it was a tad different from what's shown on the video in that we were facing each other. He made a dummy lunge, which started the whole throwing sequence. _________________ Billie Jean is not my lover. Hee. |
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