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Errors in the tests #226 (permalink) Wed Mar 19, 2008 18:21 pm   Errors in the tests
 

I think this thread is a good example of what is missing in a great many of the tests:
http://www.english-test.net/forum/
I think this sentence ought to be reviewed and discussed so that a reasonable alternative can be found. To me, it should not simply be left as it is.

There are differences between British English and American English (and also other forms of English). I think a peer review of the tests prior to the publication of each test would accomplish a number of things:

- Most (if not all) of the simple typos could be spotted and cleaned up in advance.

- Other sorts of errors could also be cleaned up in advance.

- When discrepancies in usage arise, these could be discussed and settled in advance.

- Increase the quality and credibility of the tests.

This site states that one of its goals is to 'promote English as a means of international communication'. However, if a particular test claims that a common American usage is incorrect, then this site does NOT support "international" English, but rather only a single "dialect" of English. Unless you specifically mention that you are testing "British English only", you are giving incorrect and misleading information to test takers in situations such as these, and thus the test cannot be viewed as 'international' or even 'correct'. Obviously, the same would be true of a test that categorizes a common British usage as incorrect.

In my opinion, differences in usage ought to be discussed and an appropriate solution found in advance. It seems to me that pointing out typos, discrepancies and misinformation only after a test has been published does not help the credibility of the tests. Obviously, most people are not experts in multiple versions of English, so it would make sense to have someone who speaks a different "version" of English do the peer review of a test.
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Errors in the tests #227 (permalink) Wed Mar 19, 2008 22:05 pm   Errors in the tests
 

Yankee wrote:
I think this thread is a good example of what is missing in a great many of the tests:
http://www.english-test.net/forum/

Hi Amy,

I take it you are referring to the difference between 'stand in line' and 'stand in a line'? For some reason the URL you have quoted is pointing to the forum index page. We can change it to the discussion you have in mind. Just let me know and I'll respond to the suggestions you have made above.

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Errors in the tests #228 (permalink) Fri Mar 21, 2008 4:57 am   Errors in the tests
 

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This verb should be in the subjunctive: ...the doctor recommended that he move...
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Errors in the tests #229 (permalink) Fri Mar 21, 2008 8:23 am   Errors in the tests
 

Torsten wrote:
Yankee wrote:
I think this thread is a good example of what is missing in a great many of the tests:
http://www.english-test.net/forum/

Hi Amy,

I take it you are referring to the difference between 'stand in line' and 'stand in a line'? For some reason the URL you have quoted is pointing to the forum index page. We can change it to the discussion you have in mind. Just let me know and I'll respond to the suggestions you have made above.

Many thanks,
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Oops, sorry about that. Yes, I was trying to link you to the 'stand in line' vs 'stand in a line' thread.

If a BNC search can be viewed as a fairly accurate indication, then 'stand in a queue' is not nearly as common as other phrases about 'queues' in BE. (The BNC returns only one single result.) That doesn't mean that 'stand in a queue' incorrect, though. Likewise, I think that 'stand in line' is used much more often than 'stand in a line' in AmE, but that doesn't rule out the possible use of the latter.

In the test sentence, the reason for choosing to say 'stand in a queue' appears to be basically the same as the reason one might choose to say 'stand in a line' in AmE: The context suggests 'form a queue/line (and then wait in it)'.
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Errors in the tests #230 (permalink) Sun Mar 23, 2008 11:24 am   Errors in the tests
 

Yankee wrote:
A word has apparently been accidentally omitted in question 3 of this test:
http://www.english-test.net/esl/learn/english/grammar/ii275/esl-test.php

I would suggest adding the word 'last':

And now at last it was a reality and her dream was about to be ..........
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Thanks for that.
You're welcome. There has been no change, though. Did you disagree with my suggestion?
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Errors in the tests #231 (permalink) Sun Mar 23, 2008 12:03 pm   Errors in the tests
 

http://www.english-test.net/forum/ftopic5723.html#investigators_vs_invigilators
This test sentence (9) is another that apparently tests British usage and doesn't accept the American equivalent (proctor).

In the same test (sentence 2), 'fitting room' and 'dressing room' are both rejected in favor of 'cubicle'. This seems to be another AmE-BE difference. (I thought there had been some recent discussion about using 'cubicle' in this sentence, but I can't find it now. Was it deleted?)
http://www.english-test.net/forum/ftopic568.html#cubicle_whats_wrong_with_cabin
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Errors in the tests #232 (permalink) Sun Mar 23, 2008 13:50 pm   Errors in the tests
 

http://www.english-test.net/esl/learn/english/grammar/ii274/esl-test.php
The comma in sentence 8 definitely needs to be removed.
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Errors in the tests #233 (permalink) Tue Mar 25, 2008 10:17 am   Errors in the tests
 

Hi Amy,

Many thanks for your suggestions, it would be great if you could post them in the ESL Tests forum using the "Teacher's Explanation" button next to each test sentence. This will make it easier for us to keep track of your suggestions. As for the changes you suggested, we have made them in our database and they will go online after our next update.

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Errors in the tests #234 (permalink) Wed Mar 26, 2008 0:27 am   Errors in the tests
 

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I cannot find a 'Teacher's Explanation' button at that link, Torsten.
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Errors in the tests #235 (permalink) Wed Mar 26, 2008 0:38 am   Errors in the tests
 

Hi Charles,

Every single test question contains such a button. A user clicks on it, posts their question on the forum so you can answer it. You can try it out yourself by going to one of the tests.
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Errors in the tests #236 (permalink) Wed Mar 26, 2008 0:51 am   Errors in the tests
 

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Sorry, Torsten-- I still don't see a button called 'Teacher's Explanation'.

1-- I follow your link above to the forum.
2-- I open a random thread which includes a student's inquiry about a test question.
3-- I click on the blue question link and get the test page with the 10 questions.

Some questions have a 'Click here for Explanation' button which takes me back to a forum thread answering some previous student's inquiry. Other questions have a 'Do you have a Question?' button which opens up a message box for the student.

That's all I can find. What am I missing?
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Errors in the tests #237 (permalink) Wed Mar 26, 2008 10:01 am   Errors in the tests
 

Yes Charles, the exact name of the button is 'Click here for Explanation'. That's what I meant. Sorry for the confusion.
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Errors in the tests #238 (permalink) Wed Mar 26, 2008 11:55 am   Errors in the tests
 

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OK, but how is that a good place to give notice of a typographical or other error in a test question? It just adds a post to a previous thread started by a student. That is how we began advising of errors, and nothing was corrected because test writers do not check those threads.
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Errors in the tests #239 (permalink) Wed Mar 26, 2008 12:01 pm   Errors in the tests
 

Hi Charles,

We have corrected every typo or punctuation error that has been pointed out by a user on the forum. The most effective way of notifying us is to use the explanation button next to each question because then your message is directly added to the sentence the error occurred in.
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Errors in the tests #240 (permalink) Wed Mar 26, 2008 12:51 pm   Errors in the tests
 

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OK, then..., but I think that that is the way this long thread started in the first place, Torsten-- they weren't getting fixed.
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