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Is the test question correct? Mon Aug 13, 2007 22:37 pm  Is the test question correct?
 

Dear teachers,

I recently ran across a test question for Azeri students learning English. The question looks like as follows:

Make up a sentence

1. is very popular
2. and in many other countries
3. the famous English playwright
4. the name of
5. in Great Britain
6. both
7. George Bernard Shaw

A) 4,7,3,1,6,5,2
B) 6,5,2,1,7,4,3
C) 7,3,1,6,5,2,4
D) 4,3,1,5,2,7,6
E) 4,7,1,6,5,2,3

It seems that the best option is point A, which reads: “The name of George Bernard Shaw the famous English playwright is very popular both in Great Britain and in many other countries”. However, even this option does not sound OK to my ear. Do you think that this sentence is fine? What can be the closest best way for expressing this idea using the expressions provided on the question?

Thanks in advance

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Is the test question correct? Tue Aug 14, 2007 19:11 pm  Is the test question correct?
 

Hi Zahir

I agree with you on both counts: The best option is A, but the sentence is odd.

A couple of small changes would make it better:
The works of George Bernard Shaw, the famous English playwright, are very popular both in Great Britain and in many other countries.
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Is the test question correct? Tue Aug 14, 2007 21:40 pm  Is the test question correct?
 

Thanks Amy, you are very helpful as always...
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Is the test question correct? Wed Aug 15, 2007 12:57 pm  Is the test question correct?
 

Personally, I think the people who made up the test were thinking of a word like знакомый and getting the ideas of "familiar" or "well-known" mixed up with the idea of "popular" in English. This is common.

Yesterday someone had me try a business English test on the German T-Mobile site. The word usages they were testing were all correct, but the example sentences were full of all kinds of other mistaken usages, so they were giving terrible sentences that no one would say, but which still accurately tested various idioms and prepositions.
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Is the test question correct? Wed Aug 15, 2007 15:38 pm  Is the test question correct?
 

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That's interesting, Jamie. I bet that's exactly what happened.
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Is the test question correct? Wed Aug 15, 2007 17:57 pm  Is the test question correct?
 

Jamie (K) wrote:
Personally, I think the people who made up the test were thinking of a word like знакомый and getting the ideas of "familiar" or "well-known" mixed up with the idea of "popular" in English. This is common.
Interesting! Jamie and Amy, do you think that that sentence would be correct if the word "popular" was replaced with "familiar" or "well-known"?
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Is the test question correct? Wed Aug 15, 2007 18:07 pm  Is the test question correct?
 

Jamie (K) wrote:
Personally, I think the people who made up the test were thinking of a word like знакомый and getting the ideas of "familiar" or "well-known" mixed up with the idea of "popular" in English. This is common.
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Hi, Jamie

I dont think one can use "знакомый" thinking of "popular".
Lets take a few example:

1. Singer A is very popular in country B (you have to use "знаменитый, известный". "знакомый" does not work here)
2. Singer A seems familiar to me (you have to use "известный, знакомый". "знаменитый" does not work here)

So "знакомый" has the idea of "familiar" only
"знаменитый" has the idea of "popular" only

BUT,
"известный" has the idea of BOTH "familiar" AND "popular"

(Sorry that I didnt write those examples in Russian, I dont have a means of doing so right now...)

But I can relate to your idea of words getting mixed up. The problem is one should always think of a word-equivalent in their native language prior to thinking of the word in the "target" language. It's with experience and time that one gets rid of this "vicious practice"
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Is the test question correct? Wed Aug 15, 2007 18:09 pm  Is the test question correct?
 

Jamie (K) wrote:
Yesterday someone had me try a business English test on the German T-Mobile site. The word usages they were testing were all correct, but the example sentences were full of all kinds of other mistaken usages, so they were giving terrible sentences that no one would say, but which still accurately tested various idioms and prepositions.

Hi Jamie,

Do you happen to have the URL of that test? It would be very interesting to see what kind of business English test T-Mobile is offering on their German website. By the way, they could have asked somebody from the T-Mobile US division to assess the test.
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Is the test question correct? Thu Aug 16, 2007 3:01 am  Is the test question correct?
 

lost_soul wrote:
I dont think one can use "знакомый" thinking of "popular".

That's right, you can't. But in many languages there's no clear distinction between words meaning "popular", "well-known" and "familiar", or else the semantic fields overlap in a different way, and people use the wrong equivalent. So when they want to say "popular", they wind up saying "known" or something similar.
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Is the test question correct? Thu Aug 16, 2007 3:06 am  Is the test question correct?
 

Torsten wrote:
Do you happen to have the URL of that test? It would be very interesting to see what kind of business English test T-Mobile is offering on their German website. By the way, they could have asked somebody from the T-Mobile US division to assess the test.

Here is the URL:
http://www.t-online-business.de/c/12/02/51/66/12025166.html

Here is one part that I think is really bad:

Quote:
Sie wollen ein Unternehmen als Kunden gewinnen und erz?hlen von dem erfolgreichen Unternehmer, der Ihre Firma gegr?ndet hat. Wie ?bersetzen Sie das Wort Unternehmer?

The test claims that "Unternehmer" should be translated as "player", but it's a completely inappropriate choice. It would mean that the founder of your company was a gambler who wasn't serious about what he was doing. The correct word would be "entrepreneur".
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Is the test question correct? Thu Aug 16, 2007 3:21 am  Is the test question correct?
 

Ahmadov wrote:
Jamie (K) wrote:
Personally, I think the people who made up the test were thinking of a word like знакомый and getting the ideas of "familiar" or "well-known" mixed up with the idea of "popular" in English. This is common.
Interesting! Jamie and Amy, do you think that that sentence would be correct if the word "popular" was replaced with "familiar" or "well-known"?

It would be perfectly correct.
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Is the test question correct? Thu Aug 16, 2007 8:43 am  Is the test question correct?
 

Jamie(K) wrote:
Here is the URL:
http://www.t-online-business.de/c/12/02/51/66/12025166.html

Hi Jamie
I couldn't help but chuckle at this one:
"You tell Mr. Smith that you would like to schedule the cooperation."
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Is the test question correct? Thu Aug 16, 2007 11:09 am  Is the test question correct?
 

Yankee wrote:
I couldn't help but chuckle at this one:
"You tell Mr. Smith that you would like to schedule the cooperation."
Very Happy
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Yeah! The English is quite messed up.
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Is the test question correct? Thu Aug 16, 2007 11:55 am  Is the test question correct?
 

Yankee wrote:
Jamie(K) wrote:
Here is the URL:
http://www.t-online-business.de/c/12/02/51/66/12025166.html

Hi Jamie
I couldn't help but chuckle at this one:
"You tell Mr. Smith that you would like to schedule the cooperation."
Very Happy
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Hi, Amy

I dont quite follow you... why were you chuckling at this sentence ?

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Is the test question correct? Thu Aug 16, 2007 14:06 pm  Is the test question correct?
 

"The cooperation" is a direct translation of the German "die Zusammenarbeit", but it sounds ridiculous in the English sentence. I'm not sure what we would say instead, because it's not really clear what the Germans meant to say.

Germans and Slavs often use the word "cooperation" wrongly, when they should use "collaboration" or some other word.
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